Jeppesen / NACO, ? WHO CARES!

[Metro752]

I can't afford Jeppesen, but all these people keep telling me there is something special about them and I should get used to and be more familiar with Jeppesen. It's getting old. I'm gonna use the cheap stuff for as long as I can, along with my $2.99 watch, and $5.99 polarized sunglasses from Walgreen's. Along with my fast food joint napkin stash in case I run out of TP, every so often ....... ! What's the point of spending money you don't have. I figure if I can pass the instrument written, I can probably handle learning how to read a different publishers format for terminal procedures.

Dumb post, maybe, but man this argument is old.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I can't afford Jeppesen, but all these people keep telling me there is something special about them and I should get used to and be more familiar with Jeppesen. It's getting old. I'm gonna use the cheap stuff for as long as I can, along with my $2.99 watch, and $5.99 polarized sunglasses from Walgreen's. Along with my fast food joint napkin stash in case I run out of TP, every so often ....... ! What's the point of spending money you don't have. I figure if I can pass the instrument written, I can probably handle learning how to read a different publishers format for terminal procedures.

Dumb post, maybe, but man this argument is old.

I prefer the Jeppesen Charts And Plates because no matter where I am in the world the format is usually most always the same!!!! Vs. government charts. You will also find that most places the only charts & plates available are Jeppesen. Go get a set of Iceland Government Plates be ready to Spend Some $$$$$ and spend some time learning the differences in each area....


I will save you some time here is the link to order iceland AIP!
http://www.aircraftdelivery.net/ferrypilotforms/icelandcharts.pdf

 

[unreal]

I can't afford Jeppesen, but all these people keep telling me there is something special about them and I should get used to and be more familiar with Jeppesen. It's getting old. I'm gonna use the cheap stuff for as long as I can, along with my $2.99 watch, and $5.99 polarized sunglasses from Walgreen's. Along with my fast food joint napkin stash in case I run out of TP, every so often ....... ! What's the point of spending money you don't have. I figure if I can pass the instrument written, I can probably handle learning how to read a different publishers format for terminal procedures.

Dumb post, maybe, but man this argument is old.

I hear ya. I can't afford Jepps either, so I have to use/teach NACO. I still do prefer Jepps because of their easy to use layout, but once you learn how NACO charts are put together, they're not all that bad. Just get used to flipping around the book for random pieces of information. I suggest getting a binder for them as well, and make sure you get the charts that have holes in the top, not the ones that are bound. Makes life a lot easier.

 

[minitour]

With the change to the newer, white paper by NACO, the only thing the Jepps have over them now is the convenience factor. By that, I mean if the ALS is out, I know what my minimums are immediately without flipping through the book.

This, of course, may be offset by that little white envelope I get every two weeks. If my tablet PC worked as advertised, I'd just have the electronic charts, but I need to have the paper so when the screen goes blank it doesn't take me an hour to figure out where I'm at and get new charts printed up.

I too like and recommend the loose leaf NACO books, but it amazes me at the differences in sales...the bound books sell out where the loose leaf books don't come close.

Weird.

-mini

 

[woutlaw]

I do prefer the Jepp low-altitude enroute charts to the NACOs. Something about the size and tabbed format that makes them easier to deal with.

Of course, since I usually fly in the midwest, always file /G and get direct 99% of the time I rarely use an enroute anyway.

The approach charts are a wash in my book. NACO, Jepp, doesn't matter much either way once you get used to either of 'em. Particuarly with the newer NACO format that's similar to Jepp.

One thing I like about NACO over Jepp is the little airport diagram inset on every approach plate and the arrow depicting the final approach course, which helps a bit with orientation when going visual.

And yes, I don't understand why people buy the bound NACO charts over the loose-leaf versions either. The bound ones are a PITA.

The nice thing about Jepp is that the three states I fly in the most (Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa) are in one volume. It takes three NACO volumes to cover the same area, which is a hassle.

 

[landlover]

save your money! you think for all the money it cost for jepps they would be more durable. i use both almost daily. my company has naco for the usa and jepp for the international stuff. it makes no difference!!!! both charts depict the same info in almost the same format. i like the naco because you dont have to deal with the toilet paper thickness and all the crap of a big binder. i personally liek the bound noca charts quicker acces and neater over time. the loose ones are a pain in the arse just like loose jepps.

 

[avbug]

I prefer jepp, and even when supplied NOS/NACO charts, I bought and carried my own Jepps. To each his own. Jepp is far more universal, far more widespread, and far more consistant. Someone who intends to go on to work in a professional cockpit, especially one outside the US, an airline cockpit, or one using electronic data, might do well to invest in the effort to learn and use Jepp.

 

[unreal]

Someone who intends to go on to work in a professional cockpit, especially one outside the US, an airline cockpit, or one using electronic data, might do well to invest in the effort to learn and use Jepp.

Right, that's what I keep hearing. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use the Jepps, but they're just a bit too expensive to keep updated on CFI pay. If my students would like to buy them, keep them updated, and bring them with them for their lessons, I'm all for it.

 

[avbug]

They're not that expensive. In fact, if you compare a year of NACO or a year of jepps, they're about a wash for any given area. If you only want one specific book of the gov't charts, then the NACO are less expensive...but even as an instructor, I believe you're better off being familiar with both, and teaching both according to the needs or desires of the individual student.

Maintaining them isn't really an issue; the expense once you've made your initial purchase isn't that bad, and it's something you pay once a year (unless you keep buying trip kits).

Certain things in your job cost; your headset, your intercom, your varius flight gear, teaching materials...and possibly even your charts. Of course, if you can get the school to spring for them...

I always preferred to get my own. The binders can be had for a song today on ebay or other places, and having your own charts means they go with you when you're not instructing. You can take them to your next job, when doing side jobs, etc, and you're already familiar with what is largely the woldwide industry standard chart.

 

[landlover]

Someone who intends to go on to work in a professional cockpit, especially one outside the US, an airline cockpit, or one using electronic data, might do well to invest in the effort to learn and use Jepp.

sounds like soemone works for jepp, .

i mean really though, the transition can be made from jepp to noca and back again very easily. you don't need to pay for charts as a cfi. just tell your students to buy current charts. thats what i did. i used jepps all through training and thought i was a cool professional pilot, then i hit the real world and just used the charts the company buys.