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So I guess only the senior guys are entitled to an opinion...you're sounding more like a legacy carrier every day! ;o)BLUE BAYOU said:It's so amazing how these JB pilots who've been around for a whole year know where our airline's salaries should be. STOP SQWUAKING PLEASE-- you guys talk as if we've been around since the 'Twenties flying mail!!! I liked it much better when we were out flying the line with our five planes trying to make this company what it is today--for you guys who just joined us--what are YOU going to contribute to your airline other than the whining in the crew rooms, cockpits, and message boards?
Who says that we are new hires? Quite frankly I think you are either in an egnorant bliss or you may be Al Spain or one of his cronies.BLUE BAYOU said:It's so amazing how these JB pilots who've been around for a whole year know where our airline's salaries should be. STOP SQWUAKING PLEASE-- you guys talk as if we've been around since the 'Twenties flying mail!!! I liked it much better when we were out flying the line with our five planes trying to make this company what it is today--for you guys who just joined us--what are YOU going to contribute to your airline other than the whining in the crew rooms, cockpits, and message boards?
I don't know which meeting your talking about and how many there are, but my buddy at the LGB "pocket session" said that there were only two pilots that spoke their mind and he could not believe that....... I don't know any one of you guys, but I know this guy very well and I know he's not full of $hit. Again it could be a different meeting, but he did say that only TWO pilots voiced their opinion about the NEW contract. ......SpeedBird said:After listening to yesterday's pocket session at the LGB base I am in no hurry to sign my "agreement" either. I strongly suspect that there will be an amended contract sent out shortly after the pocket sessions are completed.
My hat's off to the jetBlue pilots who have voiced their legitimate concerns over this new agreement and for management to have the willingness to meet and listen with them (us).
Now it's time to walk the walk....
Felling is mutual, however double the pole length please!lowecur said:Don't worry Bayou, these guys will be weeded out. The contract was set up this way for a reason, and that's to get rid of people who are not team players. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the mgt meetings since the pocket sessions.
I hope you people have sent your apps out. I'm sure that other majors will be just die'n to take a malcontent off of B6's hands. You'll have to let us know how many of you get an interview somewhere else. I know if I were the human resources director for another airline, I wouldn't touch any of you with a 10' pole.![]()
Your arguement would hold more water if MDA, SKW, and RJET hadn't already lowered the bar. The same reaction is going on over at the regionals towards MESA, and didn't all of the above have their contracts negotiated with collective bargaining. B6 mgt is reacting to the rates that are already on the table, and they aren't going to let anyone have an advantage as they launch the 190 in 2005. This is not a pro-active rate structure, but a reactive pay rate based on a forward thinking mgt style. It is a much easier task to do this now with 800 or so pilots, than it would be with SWA and 5000 pilots. The streets are littered with pilots who put the profession ahead of their company.AlbieF15 said:And lowcur....this is yet another reason that bringing a second, albeit cheaper type of plane into the SWA model can be a bad idea. Saving a few CASMs here or there but gutting worker esprit and elan is simply being penny wise and pound foolish. Perhaps this type of "b scale, b team, minor league" or whatever euphamism you want division is exactly what SWA knew to avoid in its crew force.
Standard disclaimer--just a fighter pilot and I may be wrong....
Highest pay to the last day might be a legacy mentality... It doesn't fester at AWA, IndyAir, etc.... Each ALPA MEC functions autonomously. Case and point.. Mesa.. no highest pay to the last day there....MLBWINGBORN said:How long are people going to keep talking about ALPA as if they are the end all of unions?
Anybody keeping track of the pilots their unionship has helped put on the street?
ALPA is great for safety studies and research..
But..The "highest paid to the last day" attitude has helped to just about kill this industry.
Ive experienced ALPA first hand..
Ive got a furlough card to prove it..
Mike
.....KingKong said:Feeling is mutual, however double the pole length please! You actually believe a human resource director for another carrier is going to consider a B6 pilot who is unhappy about the 190 rates, as an asset? Any human resource mgr worth his weight knows this is where the futures headed. You think they want a malcontent from a carrier that is dealing with a situation they will face shortly?
Blue Dude said:Albie,
Thank you. Somebody had to say it. While I'm as disappointed as many of those posting here, I refuse to air our dirty laundry in public. I haven't posted in quite a while because I haven't had much positive to say, airing grievances here accomplishes nothing, and actually hurts us all in the long run. If you're so disappointed that you're definitely going to leave, fine. Complain loudly to those in charge so they know they screwed up, and then quietly exit stage left. Best of luck to you.
Flying Freddie said:I was told by a flight instructor a long time ago that when something goes wrong just finish doing your nails. If the problem persists, then take care of it.![]()
Flaming Blue of course!skirt said:Freddie,
What color do you paint your nails??? I'm trying to visualize that and I can't stop laughing.
Skirt