JB pilots just voted to give away......

[Front Office]

Gee, What can possibly go wrong???

 

[Lake Alice]

Can you please explain to everyone on flightinfo what was stopping JB from doing these things last week before this vote?

Absolutely nothing.

The difference now is the Jetblue pilot group agreed to this in writting while also signing away the ability to collectively fight a greivance.

 

[8vATE]

50 Seaters..

Looking around the industry... letting someone fly 50 seaters or less is a minimal threat. 50 seaters and smaller are Dead on Arrival with current and probably higher fuel prices.

And it would take a LOT of aircraft to make 10% of the ASMs with 50 seaters. So all you guys harping about that should take a deep breath.

Now not allowing a "collective" arbitration... That stinks but what did you expect with the "individual employment agreements we have?" We NEED to watch out for US/European ATP harmonization, cabotage, foreign ownership, predatory pricing with competitors, Airline Alliance Monopolies, FAA funding, more crazy "Passenger Rights Laws", criminalization of accident investigations and the elephant in the closet, Airline Industry Carbon Taxes.

Face it... this industry stinks. Should have been a hedge fund manager.

 

[Nevets]

We NEED to watch out for US/European ATP harmonization, cabotage, foreign ownership, predatory pricing with competitors, Airline Alliance Monopolies, FAA funding, more crazy "Passenger Rights Laws", criminalization of accident investigations and the elephant in the closet, Airline Industry Carbon Taxes.

What can jBlu pilots do about any of that?

 

[B6Busdriver]

Gee, What can possibly go wrong???

Nothing says the Bluebelles of the Bluethisphere.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Looking around the industry... letting someone fly 50 seaters or less is a minimal threat. 50 seaters and smaller are Dead on Arrival with current and probably higher fuel prices.

And it would take a LOT of aircraft to make 10% of the ASMs with 50 seaters. So all you guys harping about that should take a deep breath.

Now not allowing a "collective" arbitration... That stinks but what did you expect with the "individual employment agreements we have?" We NEED to watch out for US/European ATP harmonization, cabotage, foreign ownership, predatory pricing with competitors, Airline Alliance Monopolies, FAA funding, more crazy "Passenger Rights Laws", criminalization of accident investigations and the elephant in the closet, Airline Industry Carbon Taxes.

Face it... this industry stinks. Should have been a hedge fund manager.

Face value, what you say is true. Although this is more a foot in the door or the slippery slope. It sets precedence and future negotiations commence from the new bar.

 

[Dizel8]

Can you please explain to everyone on flightinfo what was stopping JB from doing these things last week before this vote?

Nothing did, but here is a simplistic analogy: Nothing prevents someone from trying to break into my house, this however has given the thief, in writing,the right to steal 10% of my stuff.

Much like I have two dogs and a alarm system, I would very much like legally enforceable scope that assures the flying stays in-house.

 

[nimtz]

Looking around the industry... letting someone fly 50 seaters or less is a minimal threat. 50 seaters and smaller are Dead on Arrival with current and probably higher fuel prices.

And it would take a LOT of aircraft to make 10% of the ASMs with 50 seaters. So all you guys harping about that should take a deep breath.

We are harping because numbnuts at legacies bought the same speech years ago. "The company can only get XXX number of those barbie jets." Look how well that worked out. Crack open the barn door and the horse bolts out.

 

[Lake Alice]

Its not simply 50 seats. Its 50 seats OR any size aircraft up to 10% AMS's. Most Jetblue pilots do not know this or don't understand the verbiage. This means any aircraft. The joinder issue is just as big. Legacy carriers signed scope clauses which the parent companies ultimately violated. The unions then sued the companies and won. The Jetblue pilots will be forced to fight their scope clause independently. Has anyone fought an individual grievance against a corporation lately? It is extremely expensive and due to on staff legal teams the issue may be drug out for an eternity. Meanwhile another carrier is taking our jobs and flying as we INDIVIDUALLY fight a legal battle.

 

[LearLove]

goes to show: we pilots are our own worst enemies.

who needs management with dumba$$es like us