JB pilots just voted to give away......

[a320drivr]

Joinder, domestic and intl. flying. Morons!

 

[Sherpa]

Say again?

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Baxter, you know I don't speak Spanish. Speak English please!

 

[$$$4nothin]

What he is refering to is that the JB pilot group just voted yes to an amendment to our PEA that states exactly what flying the company can have other carriers do. It is an extensive list so I won't state it all, but basically says that the company can have 10% of our ASM's flown by another carrier that has aircraft of 50 seats or less. (this is a very basic explanation, I am sure someone will be more specific). There were a lot of other issues that these documents stated, but this is the issue in question on this post. Prior to these documents the company could have done what ever they wanted and the pilot group had no recourse. As usual these are a very heavily debated set of issues that everyone takes very personal. So I am not saying if voteing these documents in was right or wrong. Just explaining in english a little better. Hope this helps.

 

[$$$4nothin]

The paranoid (and rightfully so) bunch will tell you that the company is going to start another company to wipsaw against the current JB pilot group.
The more nuetral bunch will tell you that the reasoning for this is that it will allow us to have another company run some type of turbo-prop feed in the islands to fill out planes going to points in the states.
Honestly know one knows and we are all waiting to see what happens to the story of JB.

 

[Lake Alice]

To be clear the Jetblue pilot group voted to allow jetblue to start and operate and airline with 50 seat or less and buy, start and operate and airline with up 10% ASM regardless of the size of the aircraft. This give jetblue incredible flexibility to operate another carrier without integrating seniority list. The PEA amendment also states jetblue does not have to pay the alter-ego carrier the same rates of pay/benefits as current jetblue pilots.

 

[Fubijaakr]

That's a slippery slope to start down, guys.

 

[imacdog]

How bad can it be? Worked out great for United, Delta, USAirways, etc.....

 

[thruthemurk]

More important than what is or is not in the agreement is that the jetblue pilots gave up the right to a "group grievance". If the company violates the agreement they sign in any area - scope, scheduling, pay, etc- in a way that affects dozens or hundreds of pilots, the pilots can only fight it individually by hiring their own lawyer. The company has already shown on another issue that even when dozens were affected on a previous issue, they only paid the ones that stuck with the case to the end with their own lawyer. Though the case was clear, they did not pay those who could not afford their own lawyer or chose not to hire one.

In the original presentation of the "five documents", there were many questions on this issue of joinder, so the company added the statement that joinder would be allowed ....IF THE COMPANY SAYS SO...on an individual basis.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Management will ALWAYS have the upper hand, guys. Dont kid yourself. It's all about giving you the perception of control. Thye supply the rope... you hang yourself.

 

[General Lee]

What did the pilots get in return? More blue potato chips?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mamma]

What did the pilots get in return? More blue potato chips?


Bye Bye--General Lee

A big hug from Barger and Dean!

 

[General Lee]

A big hug from Barger and Dean!

So no give and take? All they get is a hug? Come on now! How about an Australian kiss?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

Baxter, you know I don't speak Spanish. Speak English please!

You ate an entire cheeze wheel and pooped in the refrigeratorr? That's awesome!!! Good dog.

 

[Beantown]

To be clear the Jetblue pilot group voted to allow jetblue to start and operate and airline with 50 seat or less and buy, start and operate and airline with up 10% ASM regardless of the size of the aircraft. This give jetblue incredible flexibility to operate another carrier without integrating seniority list. The PEA amendment also states jetblue does not have to pay the alter-ego carrier the same rates of pay/benefits as current jetblue pilots.

Can you please explain to everyone on flightinfo what was stopping JB from doing these things last week before this vote?

 

[BentOver]

Let me get this straight...It basically sounds like JB pilots just gave up some scope?? Although they could have done it anyway, the vote reinforces it even more?


Hmmm.. certainly makes a tough decision tougher if ever interviewed? Damn, I was really hoping JB would be a solid place for a while..

 

[WDE]

Well, I already wear a blue shirt as the captain of the airplane,might as well give away flying and joinder. Look forward to pullin gear for one of u guys later in life !

 

[Taco Rocket]

When will they announce the new deal with J.O.?

 

[$$$4nothin]

Can you please explain to everyone on flightinfo what was stopping JB from doing these things last week before this vote?

Nothing was stopping them. These docs just say what they will probably do.

 

[tico]

I think that the jblu puzzle palace knows that in time a union will come....the more of these things that they are free to do anyway that the jblu pilots "vote on" and say yes to the easier it will be for the puzzle palace to feed them a $h1t sandwich during their contract negotiations.....best approach for the blu crew.....dont even acknowledge the existance of a vote.........abstain........