JB phase 2 disqualifiers

[oldxfr8dog]

A regular line-holder at B6 making over 200K?
Maybe if they're doing midnite, no moon, no flt plan, no customs, border crossings at 50' AGL. Otherwise, no.
The quislings? Ya, maybe.

 

[$$$4nothin]

A regular line-holder at B6 making over 200K?
Maybe if they're doing midnite, no moon, no flt plan, no customs, border crossings at 50' AGL. Otherwise, no.
The quislings? Ya, maybe.

There are definately some regular line-holders here making close to or over 200k a year. Yes Flica w*************************, selling pto, working the system and such, but its happening.

 

[n757st]

There are guys here making 200k... heck there are some flica whore FO's ive heard brag about making 200k. The highest paycheck I saw (yeah, he showed me his w2 like a badge of honor) was a flica whore captain who made 310k last year.

What do all these guys have in common:

No days off..... f that.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

To clarify my comment, I don't consider the Flica-cartel, bot-wielding w************************* as regular line-holders. Flying a regular 83-hour line (996 hours per year) and including selling all PTO (better not get sick and NO vacation), yields a nine-year Bus Captain about 180K. Not bad money, but not quite as lucrative as some present.
I can't imagine the home-life of the $310K guy.
The productivity of the pairing seldom exceed 5 hours per work period, also. Not per calender day, a 24 hour sit gets you nothing but perdiem.

 

[Smarta$$]

To clarify my comment, I don't consider the Flica-cartel, bot-wielding w************************* as regular line-holders. Flying a regular 83-hour line (996 hours per year) and including selling all PTO (better not get sick and NO vacation), yields a nine-year Bus Captain about 180K. Not bad money, but not quite as lucrative as some present.
I can't imagine the home-life of the $310K guy.
The productivity of the pairing seldom exceed 5 hours per work period, also. Not per calender day, a 24 hour sit gets you nothing but perdiem.

The 3.5 to 1 trip rig would add notable credit in that situation.

On the other note, I want to know more about the bot's they are using. There was a company email warning that they better not be using one. I want to know if the company is INVESTIGATING the allegations and pursuing the wrong doers.

 

[n757st]

The 3.5 to 1 trip rig would add notable credit in that situation.

On the other note, I want to know more about the bot's they are using. There was a company email warning that they better not be using one. I want to know if the company is INVESTIGATING the allegations and pursuing the wrong doers.

They are investigating them. Hint: they are picking up / dropping / swapping enroute during flights.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

The 3.5 to 1 trip rig would add notable credit in that situation.

Notable?
How about the 10+40 3-day ANC trips? Many other examples...

 

[BeachBummer]

Don't forget the soft timers. Guys who only bid DH legs and such. RSA pick ups ect. The BOT email came out earlier this year and is under investigation. It is a direct violation of the user agreements in FLICA. I don't know if anyone will, but someone could lose thier job if proven to be using a BOT to pickup, drop/swap trips. Frankly I hope they nail em to the wall for cheating. Us poor dumb ol' slow folk wanna pick up everynow and then.

 

[Smarta$$]

Don't forget the soft timers. Guys who only bid DH legs and such. RSA pick ups ect. The BOT email came out earlier this year and is under investigation. It is a direct violation of the user agreements in FLICA. I don't know if anyone will, but someone could lose thier job if proven to be using a BOT to pickup, drop/swap trips. Frankly I hope they nail em to the wall for cheating. Us poor dumb ol' slow folk wanna pick up everynow and then.

Exactly! I hope they nail them GOOD.

 

[Smarta$$]

Notable?
How about the 10+40 3-day ANC trips? Many other examples...

Then they must be VERY short 3 days...

That is 37.4 hours time away from base.... Give me a break. Lots more to bitch about than that.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Then they must be VERY short 3 days...

That is 37.4 hours time away from base.... Give me a break. Lots more to bitch about than that.

Oh, I agree MUCH more to bitch about, but this was a red-eye, 24 hour l/o and another red-eye. Three calender days for 10+40 pay. Open time was full of them, did you get one?
How long have you been here?
It may be better than Mesa, Pinnacle, et, al, now. But it is definately sliding... Which one did you come from?

 

[Smarta$$]

Oh, I agree MUCH more to bitch about, but this was a red-eye, 24 hour l/o and another red-eye. Three calender days for 10+40 pay. Open time was full of them, did you get one?
How long have you been here?
It may be better than Mesa, Pinnacle, et, al, now. But it is definately sliding... Which one did you come from?

Actually Pinnacle, good call. I never said it was great (however I do think it is quite good, with room for improvement (where doesn't))., in fact I said there is much to bitch about.

My point was, you can't say a 2.1 day is exactly the same as a 3 day. Not that I wouldn't like it to pay 15+, but saying you are working 3 days is a stretch.

I am not your enemy. I am usually in large agreement with you, and am even on this point (to a degree).

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Actually Pinnacle, good call. I never said it was great (however I do think it is quite good, with room for improvement (where doesn't))., in fact I said there is much to bitch about.

My point was, you can't say a 2.1 day is exactly the same as a 3 day. Not that I wouldn't like it to pay 15+, but saying you are working 3 days is a stretch.

I am not your enemy. I am usually in large agreement with you, and am even on this point (to a degree).

No, you're not my enemy and I apologize if my tone was too abrupt. I do disagree with you, though. If I go to work on Monday, l/o Tuesday, and end on Wednesday, it's three days and I'd like more than 10+40 for the trip.
Again, no offense intended.

 

[BeachBummer]

Maybe we can negotiate... Er um I meant colaberate flight days vs duty periods in the next contra..... I mean PEA amendment.... Ah forget it, never mind.

 

[Otto77]

anyone want to start a cartel with me? Oh wait..I'm too jr for it to be worth a damn ha

 

[$$$4nothin]

I would but I am to dumb to create a bot.

 

[fifty30retard]

Maybe we can negotiate... Er um I meant colaberate flight days vs duty periods in the next contra..... I mean PEA amendment.... Ah forget it, never mind.

Mediocrity defined, in the Direct Relationship. Who's going to do the work to organize this pilot group next time? Dave "Lorenzo" Barger killed the JBPA and he squashed this last JAOC, so what are you people willing to do individually to change the next outcome? Does your blogging translate into effective personal outreach work? You're going to need to get involved personally next time, it's one on one pilot to pilot communications work, and it doesn't get done without you doing the work.

 

[Scape112]

Mediocrity defined, in the Direct Relationship. Who's going to do the work to organize this pilot group next time? Dave "Lorenzo" Barger killed the JBPA and he squashed this last JAOC, so what are you people willing to do individually to change the next outcome? Does your blogging translate into effective personal outreach work? You're going to need to get involved personally next time, it's one on one pilot to pilot communications work, and it doesn't get done without you doing the work.

All you preach is doom and gloom here. If it's so bad here then leave. Nobody if forcing you to stay here. Yes I agree 100% that there are things in our agreement that need improvement. However all the legacys you claim are so much better have been in business 50,60,75 years? They didn't get great contracts overnight. I'm not a blue juice drinker by any means but it's not all that bad here.

So again if you are that unhappy here just leave. Or is it hard to admitt that your top 25% in BOS and you get all the days off you want and most likely most of the specific trips. I hope when all the "good airlines" start to hire you get hired at one of them. I truly do. Then you can go bitch over there about how ********************ty it is.

 

[Fins Up]

All you preach is doom and gloom here. If it's so bad here then leave. Nobody if forcing you to stay here. Yes I agree 100% that there are things in our agreement that need improvement. However all the legacys you claim are so much better have been in business 50,60,75 years? They didn't get great contracts overnight. I'm not a blue juice drinker by any means but it's not all that bad here.

Tard is annoying. I'm pretty happy here. WE NEED A CBA.

 

[BeachBummer]

Mediocrity defined, in the Direct Relationship. Who's going to do the work to organize this pilot group next time? Dave "Lorenzo" Barger killed the JBPA and he squashed this last JAOC, so what are you people willing to do individually to change the next outcome? Does your blogging translate into effective personal outreach work? You're going to need to get involved personally next time, it's one on one pilot to pilot communications work, and it doesn't get done without you doing the work.

I have tried to defend your points but now I'm pretty sick of your attitude. I was an organizer, I gave up my days off to get this group together, where were you? Don't tell me to get personally involved.

YOUR blogging does nothing for personal outreach, infact you drive people right back over to the company side. You sir are one of the biggest issues blocking the organization of this group. Your crap attitude does nothing for the organizational effort. You wanna help!?

Shut your mouth!

 

[Fins Up]

i have tried to defend your points but now i'm pretty sick of your attitude. I was an organizer, i gave up my days off to get this group together, where were you? Don't tell me to get personally involved.

Your blogging does nothing for personal outreach, infact you drive people right back over to the company side. You sir are one of the biggest issues blocking the organization of this group. Your crap attitude does nothing for the organizational effort. You wanna help!?

Shut your mouth!

amen to that!!

 

[dhc8fo]

I have tried to defend your points but now I'm pretty sick of your attitude. I was an organizer, I gave up my days off to get this group together, where were you? Don't tell me to get personally involved.

YOUR blogging does nothing for personal outreach, infact you drive people right back over to the company side. You sir are one of the biggest issues blocking the organization of this group. Your crap attitude does nothing for the organizational effort. You wanna help!?

Shut your mouth!

Completely agree with this. I don't even work for JB and you annoy the crap out of me.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Completely agree with this. I don't even work for JB and you annoy the crap out of me.

Agreed. I hate flying with pilots like him. If things are so bad, go find another career. If you don't like the way the majority of your pilots voted, go work where you fit in better.

I'm all for making things better, but jerks like him make things worse.

 

[fifty30retard]

Ok, now it looks like we've hit a raw nerve here. You don't like any reference of your CEO in the same sentence as Frank Lorenzo. Tell you what, research his time at New York Air, a Lorenzo product, and his rise through the executive ranks there and also with CAL when NYA got rolled into CAL by Lorenzo, then get back to me.

 

[Fins Up]

You're not listening Retard. Your points are not being disputed. The way you address people here is absolutely detrimental to the organizing cause. You need some new communication skills. If you can't have a calm, respectful conversation with those who disagree with you, the people whose votes we NEED, you hurting the cause.

 

[BeachBummer]

Ok, now it looks like we've hit a raw nerve here. You don't like any reference of your CEO in the same sentence as Frank Lorenzo. Tell you what, research his time at New York Air, a Lorenzo product, and his rise through the executive ranks there and also with CAL when NYA got rolled into CAL by Lorenzo, then get back to me.

It has Nothing to do with your "reference" of Lorenzo retard... you're clueless. You can call Barger Lucifer for all I care.

And you didnt answer my question, where were you during the drive?

Tell you what, when you go out on a limb for us instead of whining like a little girl on the crack pipe get back to me. WHAAAAAA JB sucks my life sucks don't come work here... WHAAAAA. God damnnitguys like you really suck.

 

[CapnVegetto]

God I wish this thread would die.

 

[fifty30retard]

You're not listening Retard. Your points are not being disputed. The way you address people here is absolutely detrimental to the organizing cause. You need some new communication skills. If you can't have a calm, respectful conversation with those who disagree with you, the people whose votes we NEED, you hurting the cause.

Who's upset? Not me. Just pointing out some basic facts. For the record, you all work for Lorenzo's clone and you need to step it up a notch to compete. Nice was JBPA. Competent and resourced was/is JAOC. Victory is each of you engaging one on one individually with 100 pilots to measure support and have questions answered from competent authority, ALPA Legal.

You want answers? Get off your blog and get on the phone. Organizing is hard work. Do you have the stomach to fight for your future?

 

[Fins Up]

Who's upset? Not me. Just pointing out some basic facts. For the record, you all work for Lorenzo's clone and you need to step it up a notch to compete. Nice was JBPA. Competent and resourced was/is JAOC. Victory is each of you engaging one on one individually with 100 pilots to measure support and have questions answered from competent authority, ALPA Legal.

You want answers? Get off your blog and get on the phone. Organizing is hard work. Do you have the stomach to fight for your future?

Did you even read the post you quoted? I never said you were upset. I said, in summary, quit crapping on the people whose votes you need.

 

[fifty30retard]

Did you even read the post you quoted? I never said you were upset. I said, in summary, quit crapping on the people whose votes you need.

Why? Should I coddle them and whisper sweet nothings in their ears? They're bankrupting our retirements and need a swift kick in the a$$ for doing so. We tried being nice to them (JBPA), then reasoning with them (JAOC), and here we are again, with nothing. You be nice to them, I'm going to tell it to them straight, whether they like it or not.