JAL ends talk w/DAL stays with AA

[ACL65PILOT]

Heyas ACL,

Yes, it is FI, and we can only thank our fellow bretheren for keeping "The General" isolated to this particular venue.

He is mercifully absent from the places that have more meaningful communication.

Nu

Oh he is over there reading, but not posing.

 

[nwaf16dude]

If AA drops a billion on JAL, and DAL doesn't, the best way for DAL to counter attack would be to just give us another raise. If AA isn't able to respond in kind to their pilots, that place would come apart at the seams...

I know, just crazy pilot talk. I really wish my bros at AA well and hope they are able to set the bar higher for all of us.

 

[Muskycat]

Yeah, I forgot this is FI.

Talk about Ying and Yang. The below article was printed January 28th from the same source this thread started from.

JAL dumps alliance with American Airlines in favor of Delta, SkyTeam



http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/archive/news/2010/01/28/20100128p2a00m0na005000c.html

 

[RedRum]

Maybe JAL had a deeper look at the amount of technology Delta brings to the table, which is almost nothing.

The reservation system (Delta-Matic) is a third-rate, confusing mess and they probably see the difficulty it is causing the NWA employees.

I was sadly disappointed to see how terrible the IT is here at Delta. It is in SERIOUS need of a total revamp. I know we are trying to but I would not doubt it if this may be one of the main issues JAL has with the deal.

If DAL attempts to integrate JAL employees into the new system like they did at NWA, they will NEVER emerge from BK.

I'm just sayin' .....

 

[blade230]

There will be no integration of JAL/Delta. It would be a codeshare agreement and alliance swap...nothing more. For one, the Japanese government already stated, officially and publicly, they would prefer to have no foreign ownership. Even in the past when there was talk of capital injection (shot down by the Japanese government) foreign ownership would have been limited to 25%, which in Japan is the most any foreign entity can own in a Japanese company. Far from controlling interest.

Either way, it will be interesting to see what choice the Japanese make.

 

[Noserider76]

If AA drops a billion on JAL, and DAL doesn't, the best way for DAL to counter attack would be to just give us another raise. If AA isn't able to respond in kind to their pilots, that place would come apart at the seams...

I know, just crazy pilot talk. I really wish my bros at AA well and hope they are able to set the bar higher for all of us.

I like the way you think! I wish them well at AA and at JAL too though. Industry-wide we should all be making more for the jobs we do and the responsibility that comes with it.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I like your theory!!!

If AA drops a billion on JAL, and DAL doesn't, the best way for DAL to counter attack would be to just give us another raise. If AA isn't able to respond in kind to their pilots, that place would come apart at the seams...

I know, just crazy pilot talk. I really wish my bros at AA well and hope they are able to set the bar higher for all of us.

You are closer to the truth than you think. You just need to get your management on board. Why counter attack when all you need is to encourage self-implosion! "DAL + 1% and the house will come down."

 

[General Lee]

Oh he is over there reading, but not posing.

Not yet!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Heyas ACL,

Yes, it is FI, and we can only thank our fellow bretheren for keeping "The General" isolated to this particular venue.

He is mercifully absent from the places that have more meaningful communication.

Nu

I lurk a lot, and I may make a move soon. It is free to lurk, you know...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[EMBpilot]

I flew Delta from Rome yesterday and sat next to a Delta nonreving mechanic. He said Delta is getting 16 MD90's from JAL.
Is it true?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I flew Delta from Rome yesterday and sat next to a Delta nonreving mechanic. He said Delta is getting 16 MD90's from JAL.
Is it true?

Per RA's chat a few weeks ago:

16 MD-90's were going to be purchased and leased back to JAL. Now JAL is dumping them, so I guess they are ours.


If the AMR announcement is true, I wonder if the ETC will back the decision, or this is just one more move. If so, game on.


General, it is also free to join. There is no fee over there.

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

UPDATE: JAL To Stick With American Airlines To Speed Revival


TOKYO (Dow Jones)--Japan Airlines Corp. (9205.TO) Tuesday said it will maintain its existing alliance with AMR Corp.'s (AMR) American Airlines, spurning overtures from American's U.S. rival Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) and dealing a blow to the latter's hopes for expansion in the lucrative Asian air travel market.
The decision, announced at a briefing at Japan's Transport Ministry, is the culmination of a months-long battle between the two leading airlines in the U.S. over Japan's ailing national carrier, which filed for bankruptcy protection last month with $25 billion in debt.
JAL officials attending the briefing said the decision to stick with American Airlines and its oneworld global alliance of partner carriers was taken to speed restructuring at JAL, keeping the burden of doing so at a minimum.
For months, Japan's transport ministry had been pushing for a tie-up between JAL and Delta, as the latter has a larger trans-Pacific flight network than its rival.
"In terms of long-term growth prospects, an alliance with Delta would have offered lots of business opportunities as it has a wide network in Europe," said Daiji Nagai, vice president of JAL's corporate planning division. "But we decided to prioritize our immediate goal, which is to do whatever it takes to restructure this company in the first year; so we avoided the risk that migration posed of losing our current customers."
"Our president (Masaru) Onishi told Delta about our decision earlier in the day," Nagai added.
The decision to remain with American was largely due to the thinking of its new chairman, Kazuo Inamori, according to a person familiar with the matter. Inamori, the founder of ceramic maker Kyocera Corp. and who has become a management guru, started at JAL on Feb 1.
"We respect that this was an important decision for Japan Airlines and the government of Japan, and we believe they have made the right choice for JAL's many stakeholders, for Japan's national interests and for consumers traveling between Japan and the United States," said Gerard Arpey, American's Chairman and CEO.
Backed by their respective carrier group partners, both American and Delta had also offered more than $1 billion in capital and incentives to JAL. But the Japanese government, which has already pumped money into JAL, appeared to rule out any such investment, at least for now.
For Delta, the decision means it will be without a Japanese partner--a liability as the U.S. and Japan have reached an "open skies" accord that opens new opportunities for airlines to offer services as partners.
"The members of SkyTeam respect the decision made by Japan Airlines to remain in the oneworld alliance," said a spokeswoman for SkyTeam, of which Delta is a member. "We believe that cooperation with JAL would have brought good opportunities to all parties involved."
JAL-American will now apply for "anti-trust immunity," enabling them to schedule flights as a single entity. When granted, Nagai said the alliance will yield billions of yen in annual sales.
"We will apply for anti-trust immunity as early as this weekend," he said

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Now lets see if the ETIC approves that decision. They are the ones(government) that has been pushing DAL. Their trustees are not seated yet. May be a rubber stamp, or it may not. Either way I see a fierce battle over in Tokyo.

 

[twobits]

The new head of JAL says they are staying with Oneworld, if they do anything else, massive face will be lost. Now JAL knows a lot more about their competitor in NRT. I don't think anything more will come of it, and I don't think it was a good thing for DL pilots anyway.