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CE750Driver said:
Considered by who? How many years in the X do you have to ascertain the truth to that statement? My 14 years do not show that. Nor does the daily maintenance log.
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Don't forget all of the old Ultras and beeches that break like Bon Jovi. Bottom line is size of the company has zero to do with recovery capability. More owners, especially the 25-hour variety of the successful marquis variety, place more of a demand on the fleet than the 200-hour owner. Think about it-dividing a plane into 32nds versus 16ths means many more potential things to go wrong. It transates to more recoveries, and ultimately the owner experience as they get moved from aircraft to aircraft.
In any case, what's the reason owners are fleeing, in your opinion?
 
Owners are not fleeing. Some are leaving. There is no mass exodus as rumored. Sorry to disappoint. Last month was actually record sales.
 
Hear that in company recurrent?
 
Record sales

Last month was actually record sales.

That may be the problem .. they are doing RECORD sales, but the world moved to CDs in the late 80s and MP3s in the 2000s.

I would like to see the data reflecting "record" sales ... better than 2004-2005-2006?
 
NJAowner said:
Last month was actually record sales.

That may be the problem .. they are doing RECORD sales, but the world moved to CDs in the late 80s and MP3s in the 2000s.

I would like to see the data reflecting "record" sales ... better than 2004-2005-2006?
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Me too.
 
Bluewanabe said:
Owners are not fleeing. Some are leaving. There is no mass exodus as rumored. Sorry to disappoint. Last month was actually record sales.
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While I don't think there is a "mass exodus" of owners......There is definitely a slow trickle (best medaphor I could think of. Probably more than a trickle!)

And a problem with the companies sales figures is they can be skewed any way they want... Owners renewing their contract BUT for a smaller share.. Marquis owners buying more cards etc... I'd rather have 4 owners at 400 hrs, than 16 MJ owners at 400 hrs... NJA needs larger shares sold and at a faster rate to get back to repsectable growth mode..... remember Sokols "100 net new owners" interview in 2010.....How'd that pan out?? NJA lost 12 a/c worth of owners in 2010...

The sky is not falling, but we're not eating cavier out of gold trimmed beer mugs yet either! The day the Mets win the series is the day I'll believe NJA is having record sales!! Maybe next year! Oh wait, the Wilpons lost a butt load with B. Madoff, just like 100's of NJA owners...We may have a problem with the Mets/NJA......
 
NJAowner said:
Last month was actually record sales.

That may be the problem .. they are doing RECORD sales, but the world moved to CDs in the late 80s and MP3s in the 2000s.

I would like to see the data reflecting "record" sales ... better than 2004-2005-2006?
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Good one! I'm sure that "flew" over most people's heads.

Arrogance never trumps consistent quality service/products. You can't take away things from a client/customer and expect them to be happy. People are normally loyal to a fault, but they will find a provider that offers better service and value if they feel they're being taken for granted.

The fleet is way too old, pricing is out of sight, and many people still think it is the good old days. It's not and won't be for a long time...some of it attributable to the company, some of it due to a really, really, really lousy market.

It's tough to make a nickel in private aviation during the good times and darn near impossible with mgmt running (or being pushed) out the door like there was a fire.
 
Cassette, CD, 8 track. What ever you want to call it. Best one day sales in a while.
Best recovery time in the industry. 60 mins or so average.
Upgrade and downgrade aircraft from local to international missions.
BH financial backing.
Safety is our culture.
Our image sucks right now. We took some major hits. We have smart people working the problems and the ship is turning around.
Most of the borderline owners have been shaken out. Some want BMW. Some want Ford.
It's hard to sway naysayers. Believe what you want. Netjets has a great product and a bright future.
 
Recovery Statistics

Do not believe the statistics unless you see the raw data and more. Since NJ employees in Columbus are now most concerned with keeping their own jobs (understandable) finger pointing in widespread and apparent to owners, instead of just geeting the job done.

The statistics on my 2 recent "strandings" and 1 "we will not provide the plabe within the call out time", have all turned into wonderful statistic for NJ. When I have inquired I got "your flights were on time" until we dug deeper and the data looks like this, for example..... (1) days before the flight I request a flight for 2pm, (2) I am later called and told of some problem and am told jet won't be available for me until 5p, (3) I decide to do something (meeting, more time at beach, etc.) istead of sitting at the FBO if I am lucky enough to get the call before I head for the FBO, (4) I say, well let's make it a 7p flight so we can have dinner. The Intellijet II system now makes it my 7p departure which leaves on time ... not the actual 3+ hour recovery form my original time.

Example 2 -- I call at 6pm for a flight 10 the next morning (I have 8 hour call out time). At 9 pm at noght I am told no jet available for me until noon (amazing being that I am in the NYC area). I cancel the flight all togetyher and fly with another operator. Again, Intellijet II statistics just show that I cancelled my flight. Not why I cancelled my flight.
 
The finger pointing culture needs to go. This is a byproduct of DS and his style of management. He is gone and even the current top players have admitted to making mistakes. Don't get me wrong. I hope we get better leadership.
These recovery scenarios have to be communicated to the very top and get resolved. This is the only way it will get fixed. They don't seem to want to hear from the pilots. Covering up times to make better matrix is not cool.
 
Another uniform change?

10 year plan? I hope that will involve me retiring.

(Sooner if I hit the lotto (My long term investment plan))

Maybe Hansell is the next Herb Kelleher?

(Hey, I can dream can't I?)

I have no clue (nor does anyone else) what "The 10 year plan" is?

All I can say at this point is "Ding dong the witch is gone"!!!!!

Hopefully we can correct the damage done by D.S., and improve the company union relationship.

It does seem to be moving in a positive direction.
 
Also the company-customer relationship. Pretty impressive how DS managed to screw this company up in such a short time. I guess that's what you get bringing a utilities guy to a service business.
 
imacdog said:
Also the company-customer relationship. Pretty impressive how DS managed to screw this company up in such a short time. I guess that's what you get bringing a utilities guy to a service business.
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What I want to know is what happened to all those guys on here that said nothing but positive things about Sokol.

"Oh he kneeded what had to be done."

" I think in time we'll see the positive effects of his work"

" HE's streamlining the business, making it productive, and the future looks bright"....(These are all paraphrases, but I'm sure it wouldn't take much to see who was sucking Sokols weiner last year..)

"I guess that's what you get bringing a utilities guy to a service business."

Not to be a complete dich, but please tell me you're not just realizing this!! You're about 2 years too late:beer:
 
BentOver said:
What I want to know is what happened to all those guys on here that said nothing but positive things about Sokol.

"Oh he kneeded what had to be done."

" I think in time we'll see the positive effects of his work"

" HE's streamlining the business, making it productive, and the future looks bright"....(These are all paraphrases, but I'm sure it wouldn't take much to see who was sucking Sokols weiner last year..)

"I guess that's what you get bringing a utilities guy to a service business."

Not to be a complete dich, but please tell me you're not just realizing this!! You're about 2 years too late:beer:
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Almost nearly similar to the Bush Obama argument.
 
Saw my complete lack of a cooherent sentence with the first one....

"Oh, he did what had to be done!" Sounds much better.....


I'm not into politics though...Too many people listen to way too many "experts"!

I just remember those opposed to Obama were convinced that they were going to lose their rights to carry guns..

I'm not for either party, but remember guys telling me "You better go get a gun now before it's too late." First I have no need for a gun, and second, a President is not the sole manipulator of our amended rights in the constitution. A President can offer a bill, but he is not the judge and jury if that bill gets passed. (yes I took Poly Sci. too!)

Oh and THIRD...LEAVE FREAKIN POLITICS OUT OF THE COCKPIT!! I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO KNOW THE 2 BASIC RULES.. NO POLITICS or RELIGION... I had a guy try to convert me to Mormonism, and another guy talk 7 days about why he was for or against a particluar candidate..Yeah those were the days:p

Same with Obama not being a naturalized citizen. Really? Because Donald Trump says so it must be true. Forget the fact that being born in the US (Or overseas due to military family) is one of the main requirements of being president. Along with being 35. That's pretty much the only two real requirements.. I think someone would have looked into that well before he took office...

Like I said, I'm not for any particular party, but am astonished at those who will try to manipulate people just because they hate the other guy so much. Common sense goes along way..

OK off soapbox.
 
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BentOver said:
"I guess that's what you get bringing a utilities guy to a service business."

Not to be a complete dich, but please tell me you're not just realizing this!! You're about 2 years too late:beer:
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Oh no, it's what I (and others) was saying two years ago.
 
But I (and other owners) got a letter from DS telling us that after a survey DASANI was the overwhelming choice of waters requested by NJ owners and that is why is was going on the planes.
 
BentOver said:
Saw my complete lack of a cooherent sentence with the first one....

"Oh, he did what had to be done!" Sounds much better.....


I'm not into politics though...Too many people listen to way too many "experts"!

I just remember those opposed to Obama were convinced that they were going to lose their rights to carry guns..

I'm not for either party, but remember guys telling me "You better go get a gun now before it's too late." First I have no need for a gun, and second, a President is not the sole manipulator of our amended rights in the constitution. A President can offer a bill, but he is not the judge and jury if that bill gets passed. (yes I took Poly Sci. too!)

Oh and THIRD...LEAVE FREAKIN POLITICS OUT OF THE COCKPIT!! I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO KNOW THE 2 BASIC RULES.. NO POLITICS or RELIGION... I had a guy try to convert me to Mormonism, and another guy talk 7 days about why he was for or against a particluar candidate..Yeah those were the days:p

Same with Obama not being a naturalized citizen. Really? Because Donald Trump says so it must be true. Forget the fact that being born in the US (Or overseas due to military family) is one of the main requirements of being president. Along with being 35. That's pretty much the only two real requirements.. I think someone would have looked into that well before he took office...

Like I said, I'm not for any particular party, but am astonished at those who will try to manipulate people just because they hate the other guy so much. Common sense goes along way..

OK off soapbox.
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Son

Its time for you to get educated.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/united-states-to-pursue-un-global-gun-ban_02052010
 
NJAowner said:
But I (and other owners) got a letter from DS telling us that after a survey DASANI was the overwhelming choice of waters requested by NJ owners and that is why is was going on the planes.
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HA! I can't believe he typed it with a straight face. Then again, I don't believe much of what he said.

I guess if you lumped "Dasani" and "I don't care; water is water" into the same category on the survey, I could see it passing. Barely!
 
NJAowner said:
But I (and other owners) got a letter from DS telling us that after a survey DASANI was the overwhelming choice of waters requested by NJ owners and that is why is was going on the planes.
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I'm sure every single owner believed that one... The best way to piss me off is to lie to me. I can handle bad news, not lies.

Owners by definition are intelligent people. They can know that their company was hit hard in 2008. All that had to be said was, "I know this is potentially inconvenient, but in an effort to cut costs and shuffle money into another Berkshire Hathaway company, we have decided to use Dasani as our standard water stock. Feel free to order Fiji water if that is what you desire in your catering. Thank you for your understanding." Just don't blow sunshine up our owners asses. They are too smart for that.
 
Just watched a documentary on bottled water. It was a free stream on NetFlix if you have that sort of thing. The name was "Tapped".

If you watch it you'll never buy bottled water again. Obviously in a plane there is little choice, but you get my drift.
 
Since were on the water thing yes everyone inside NJA said it was a bad move.

Now why not just break the contract........... well coke is owned by whom? They will wait it out but I'd bet VOSS will be on board soon.
 
rajflyboy said:
Son

Its time for you to get educated.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/united-states-to-pursue-un-global-gun-ban_02052010
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http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne...ots-use-white-guilt-in-2012-election_08162011

"Since riots and uprisings are now en vogue the world over and with signs that they will soon reach the s************************* of America, would it be that much of a stretch to suggest President Obama’s election campaign would be willing to incite race riots in the hopes of guilting white Americans into casting a vote for a President who is progressively losing popularity and support at an ever accelerating rate?"

I rest my case... You're website may be legit??? But being a realist, I don't for one second think Obama and Co. is going to intentially incite race riots......Once your website posts articles like that it no longer garners any credibility!
 

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