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Obama could provide 8mm film stock of his birth, with his umbilical cord resting on the Honolulu Star Bulletin for 8/4/61, and the birthers would still claim it's faked. There's no reasoning with these people.

Come on man, you can do better than that!

Was BHO born in HI? Who knows. Better yet, who cares? He's still ineligible to be POTUS.

Is he a US Citizen? Yes, according to US v Wong Kim Ark.

Now, is he a Natural Born Citizen? No, according to Minor v Happersett.

For further research consider letters between Chief Justice John Jay and George Washington, Emmerich de Vattel’s “Law of Nations”, and volume 12 of the English House of Commons Debates.

Don't let that gold tie choke off the blood to your thinker. As John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things..."

 

[BentOver]

There's no reasoning with these people.

agree 100%.. they only see and hear what they want to.. And believe only what their peers tell them is true.

 

[gunfyter]

The fact still remains that he was born a US citizen.. and by government law has every right to run and be elected president....

As far as what the government may or may not check in one's background.... You're really reaching there if you really think a check of the guys citizenship wasn't done at some point in this guys political career. I can find out what my neighbor bought his house for, can look at the legal records of anyone in the US, I'm pretty sure the US government is able to figure out where B.O. was born.

Lastly, unless you, or anyone on this board, is not just a pilot but also member of a government entity that checks into citizenship or background checks. I'd have to call BS on the whole arguement.

Thats all we ask ... that an official US government entity check into the citizenship and eligibility ... This has either not been done or not made public....

Congress did however look into the eligibility of John McCain. You see the original birthers were Obama supporters looking into McCain.
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Rep John Bingham Father of 14th Amendment Defined Natural Born Citizen

stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians..
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He reiterated his statement in 1866:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen.


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Obama FAILS this test. His father owed allegiance to Kenya and the British Crown. But this issue needs to be resolved not only because of Obama. There are two potential candidates for Vice President that conceivably could be selected by the Republicans this time. Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal. They also FAIL this test.

 

[BentOver]

Thats all we ask ... that an official US government entity check into the citizenship and eligibility ... This has either not been done or not made public....

Congress did however look into the eligibility of John McCain. You see the original birthers were Obama supporters looking into McCain.
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Rep John Bingham Father of 14th Amendment Defined Natural Born Citizen

stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians..

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He reiterated his statement in 1866:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen.



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Obama FAILS this test. His father owed allegiance to Kenya and the British Crown. But this issue needs to be resolved not only because of Obama. There are two potential candidates for Vice President that conceivably could be selected by the Republicans this time. Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal. They also FAIL this test.

Its Citizenship Clause provides a broad definition of citizenship that overruled the Dred Scott v. Sandford ruling by the Supreme Court (1857) that held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.[1]

Its Due Process Clause prohibits state and local governments from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without certain steps being taken to ensure fairness. This clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, as well as to recognize substantive and procedural rights.

Its Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction.

You're using a definition and statement from and Amendment that was meant to piece the country back together AFTER the Civil War. And to grant rights to blacks as opposed the the alternative of keeping them non-citizens.

The 14th Amendment is in no way a means to define citizenship for the purpose of being an elected government offical.

Here's one of the 3 criteria to be President:

"Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn't have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed."

In the above requirement, "if" Obama was born outside of the US (even with a US mother) He would have not been able to be President. However being that he was born IN the US, the fact that his father held Kenyan citizenship holds no weight to his citizenship standing.

I'm pretty sure I'm correct in my understanding of this seeing that Obama is in fact our President. Unless the PILOTS on this board really feel they have a better understanding than those officials (sometimes scholars) in government who decide all of this. Best let the airplanes be flown by pilots and the rules of the Constitution be decided by the Judicial Branch IE: Those men and women who sit on the Supreme Court. Or are they wrong on these issues as well?

 

[fischman]

Do you guys actually think that the RNP would not have already spent millions of dollars on hundreds of lawyers trying to debunk his birth certificate?

Methinks there wasn't a case.

 

[gunfyter]

Since the issue is in dispute ... lets let the Supreme Court decide it now. Otherwise it will pop up again for Rubio or Jindal.

But as I said before, no agency of the United States has verified the eligibility of Mr Obama... or examined his Birth Certificate. Yet, the Congress of the United States did verify the eligibility and Natural Born Citizenship of Mr McCain... at the request of among others -- Mr Obama.

 

[BentOver]

Since the issue is in dispute ... lets let the Supreme Court decide it now. Otherwise it will pop up again for Rubio or Jindal.

But as I said before, no agency of the United States has verified the eligibility of Mr Obama... or examined his Birth Certificate. Yet, the Congress of the United States did verify the eligibility and Natural Born Citizenship of Mr McCain... at the request of among others -- Mr Obama.

Newsflash..the issue is no longer in dispute.. He is and will remain President for atleast 16 or so more months.. The Supreme Court is not going to impeach the guy..

McCain was questioned becasue of all the hoopla over Obama's citizenship during the elections... Obama requested it to be a pain in the ass.

Fishman has it right.. The RNP wouldm have spent every last dollar getting Obama impeached. All this citizenship talk is only a smear campaign aimed at those who will believe everything put on TV (namely Fox News.)

Clinton lies about getting a BJ and he's sitting in front of the judges.

 

[glasspilot]

Since the issue is in dispute ... lets let the Supreme Court decide it now.

It's only in dispute with a few pilots on this forum and few other crack pots spread out across the country that really don't like having a black man head the free world.

Maybe if we dispute the constitutionality of having a moon orbit the earth we could get ther Supreme Court to decide that too? My point is just because a couple craizies want to whine about stupid issues doesn't mean the nations highest court has to take the case.

It'll be okay, 5 more years and you can have a stab of getting your guy in the oval office. Only fair, I had to endure 8 looooonnnngggg years of your guy.

 

[AeroBoy]

The only way Minor v Happersett would apply here is IF, and ONLY IF, Obama was not born in the U.S. Basically, this case said that those born abroad, but to parents who were both citizens of the U.S., they would be considered natural-born citizens. This applies to, say, the son or daughter of a U.S. soldier and his U.S.-born citizen wife when they are stationed at a base in Germany, where their child is born.

DAS wrongly implied that this provision requires both parents to be U.S. citizens of those born in the U.S. for their child to be a natural-born citizen. The truth is that a child can be a natural-born citizen even if NEITHER parent is a U.S. citizen, so long as the child is actually born in the U.S. I could care less if any of you agree with this--it simply is the way it was when Obama was born and still remains today. Nice try at rewriting history, though...

 

[gret]

More cowbell about the 10 year plan.....

The birther issue is over. He messed up by not coming out a long time ago with all the documents...he was good initially, but his lack of leadership skills are showing (see Sokol)...he is a politician, not a statesman, and we're sorely lacking those today.