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It's Time for a Minimum Wage for Airline Pilots

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A minimum wage? Do you see how much backstabbing, and undercutting there is in business aviation? Do you see how we cannot even police our own airline pilots? Do you see people are trampling over each other to get jobs at places like GoJets, and Colgan? Colgan of all places!!!!
 
Lame and unAmerican concept.

Let the market forces rule, tethered by the mild socialism of collective bargaining.
 
It was done in the past, when the Airmail contract were rebid in 1935, the govenment back then wanted to make sure they got the best and brightest to fly the mail. This is a time that history should repeat itself.
 
SkywayFO said:
It was done in the past, when the Airmail contract were rebid in 1935, the govenment back then wanted to make sure they got the best and brightest to fly the mail. This is a time that history should repeat itself.
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Yeah, but back then planes were falling out of the skies every couple months.

Oh, wait . . . .
 
Nevets said:
I don't support it. Just threw it out there for discussion.
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$50,000 a year for FOs minimum? Well, that would work to get more people interested in the industry. Of course, it would put many regionals out of business as well, or it would result in captain pay being MUCH less.

Choose your poison. :)
 
Well I'll say this.

A lot of airlines are apparently going to start hiring this spring. People are frothing at the mouth just to get an interview...I would say as long as they have 10,000 resumes to fill 100 positions...wages will not come up ANY time soon.

-Just my thoughts though...
 
BigLebowski said:
Well I'll say this.

A lot of airlines are apparently going to start hiring this spring. People are frothing at the mouth just to get an interview...I would say as long as they have 10,000 resumes to fill 100 positions...wages will not come up ANY time soon.

-Just my thoughts though...
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Winner!!!!!!

Is supply and demand a concept familiar to anyone?

If one person does not want to fly for those wages, a few thousand bright-eyed kids who are subsidised by their parents, or are chomping at the bit to stop flight instruction will gladly step up to "pay their dues". Nothing will change this.
 
lookin4better said:
Winner!!!!!!

Is supply and demand a concept familiar to anyone?

If one person does not want to fly for those wages, a few thousand bright-eyed kids who are subsidised by their parents, or are chomping at the bit to stop flight instruction will gladly step up to "pay their dues". Nothing will change this.
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Apparently this is a new concept for some of our fellow pilots. I always get a good chuckle reading these threads, I love reading what some of these geniuses come up with. :laugh:
 
lookin4better said:
Winner!!!!!!

Is supply and demand a concept familiar to anyone?

If one person does not want to fly for those wages, a few thousand bright-eyed kids who are subsidized by their parents, or are chomping at the bit to stop flight instruction will gladly step up to "pay their dues". Nothing will change this.
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Wrong. A law can change this. Which is why laws are created in the first place, to correct something unpleasant that occurs naturally.

You 'free marketeers' sound more and more like anarchists everyday.
 
The regional airlines can not afford it, be thankfull you are getting experience for a possible chance to move on later in your career.
 
Data said:
Apparently this is a new concept for some of our fellow pilots. I always get a good chuckle reading these threads, I love reading what some of these geniuses come up with. :laugh:
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Absolutely, and also I have never seen such a sense of entitlement and zero desire to work hard to get there.... " I deserve it, because I am standing in this line, I do not need to do anything more than expected of me"( all this with the bottom lip hanging out) .... anyone work hard for anything and get a job/position based on merit? No wonder we are in such bad shape...... bunch of whiners and cry babies.

Well, there is one good result, it sure makes it easy to stand out above the rest in a very competetive industry! Thanks!
 
lookin4better said:
The regional airlines can not afford it, be thankfull you are getting experience for a possible chance to move on later in your career.
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One minute you scorn those who are taking these worthless jobs in this supposedly unstoppable race to the bottom, the next minute you tell us all we should be happy for the scraps that we have. So which is it?? Oh wait... I know!

You're an idiot. Between your typos and your ridiculous ideas, anything you post is completely discredited the moment you press "submit."
 
Love it.... this is TOOOOOOOOO Eazy! Like shootin' fish in a barrel!
 
Last week, I had an FO tell me he was moving on to something else because he was "done with aviation"

25 years old, $100,000 in student loans, hired with 300 hours, sat in the right seat for 2 WHOLE YEARS before throwing in the towel! Now he wants to be a nurse....$80,000 more in debt!! Riddle told him he would be a 777 capt by now and it hasn't happened yet so he's outta here.

Ran into another with a wife and 2 kids. After 2 years wants to give up and go back to school. Time to man up and support your family not chase another dream.

Do these people even do any research before entering into this profession? Ask the 10 year Eagle FO's if it has been a long road.

Get the ******************** out and good riddance I say!!
 
COOPERVANE said:
Last week, I had an FO tell me he was moving on to something else because he was "done with aviation"

25 years old, $100,000 in student loans, hired with 300 hours, sat in the right seat for 2 WHOLE YEARS before throwing in the towel! Now he wants to be a nurse....$80,000 more in debt!! Riddle told him he would be a 777 capt by now and it hasn't happened yet so he's outta here.

Ran into another with a wife and 2 kids. After 2 years wants to give up and go back to school. Time to man up and support your family not chase another dream.

Do these people even do any research before entering into this profession? Ask the 10 year Eagle FO's if it has been a long road.

Get the ******************** out and good riddance I say!!
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Seriously. These are the same ones that complain about being away from home and staying in hotels.

What? Airline pilots travel?? Really? I'm going to be away from home and have to stay in hotels?? Wow, that never occured to me. :rolleyes:
 
COOPERVANE said:
Last week, I had an FO tell me he was moving on to something else because he was "done with aviation"

25 years old, $100,000 in student loans, hired with 300 hours, sat in the right seat for 2 WHOLE YEARS before throwing in the towel! Now he wants to be a nurse....$80,000 more in debt!! Riddle told him he would be a 777 capt by now and it hasn't happened yet so he's outta here.

Ran into another with a wife and 2 kids. After 2 years wants to give up and go back to school. Time to man up and support your family not chase another dream.

Do these people even do any research before entering into this profession? Ask the 10 year Eagle FO's if it has been a long road.

Get the ******************** out and good riddance I say!!
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THIS is the entire problem..... these boys get a job and think they should be Captains 6 months out of training. ......they don't get it. Cry babies.... you can hear them on the radio.... they sound grouchy/sad/demoralized...... so funny to hear them! Like you said....see ya!!! don't let the door hit you on the way out "brahs!"
 
ASA_Aviator said:
$50,000 a year for FOs minimum? Well, that would work to get more people interested in the industry. Of course, it would put many regionals out of business as well, or it would result in captain pay being MUCH less.

Choose your poison. :)
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WRONG!

The only thing corporations do is what is best for the bottom line or what they are mandated to do by law.

Federal legisation mandating reasonable and fair wages for pilots will simply get it done. Management will actually have to do thier jobs and run the airline instead of looking for wage subsidies from labor.


Of course corp subsidies from the govt (Wall St.) are just good ol American Capitalism.....



Where the hell is John Galt?
 
Minimum Wage

THERE IS A REGULATORY MINIMUM HOURLY WAGE FOR EACH HOUR WORKED. THERE IS A FEDERAL MINIMUM AND EACH STATE HAS IT'S MINIMUM, OFTEN MORE THAN THE FEDERAL. Pilots do not qualify in any state to be an exempt employee, that is exempt from state wage and hours rules. In California you MUST be paid for each hour you work, and overtime (read time and a half) for each hour over 8 per day or 40 per week.

This is the primary reason airlines usher in a union to represent the pilot group. Once the collective barganing unit (read pilot group) and the employer establish a contract, it supersceeds the state and federal minimum wage rules.

We, as pilots, screw ourselves silly.

TransMach
 
TransMach said:
THERE IS A REGULATORY MINIMUM HOURLY WAGE FOR EACH HOUR WORKED. THERE IS A FEDERAL MINIMUM AND EACH STATE HAS IT'S MINIMUM, OFTEN MORE THAN THE FEDERAL. Pilots do not qualify in any state to be an exempt employee, that is exempt from state wage and hours rules. In California you MUST be paid for each hour you work, and overtime (read time and a half) for each hour over 8 per day or 40 per week.

This is the primary reason airlines usher in a union to represent the pilot group. Once the collective barganing unit (read pilot group) and the employer establish a contract, it supersceeds the state and federal minimum wage rules.

We, as pilots, screw ourselves silly.

TransMach
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oh boy....
 
it is called, quit accepting jobs at a company just to be called and airline pilot and then bitch about the wages after ...now being called an airline pilot which you barely are becuase you are really a contract pilot since your whole company revolves around their contracts...the real airline is the one who you probably claim to work for to strangers at a bar.....I work for Delta....exactly.. "work for Delta" not "at Delta"....I actually caught a guy in that little fib once a few years back, as I am sure most pilots have caught someone at one point or another...kind of funny...and I did not bother to call him out since I was embarassed for him after that statement to begin with.....no need to rub salt in his ego
 
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RedDogC130 said:
it is called, quit accepting jobs at a company just to be called and airline pilot and then bitch about the wages after ...now being called an airline pilot which you barely are becuase you are really a contract pilot since your whole company revolves around their contracts...the real airline is the one who you probably claim to work for to strangers at a bar.....I work for Delta....exactly.. "work for Delta" not "at Delta"....I actually caught a guy in that little fib once a few years back, as I am sure most pilots have caught someone at one point or another...kind of funny...and I did not bother to call him out since I was embarassed for him after that statement to begin with.....no need to rub salt in his ego
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Negative.

You and many others of the 20th Century had the ability to by pass the regionals and make it to a major.

The future of the air line pilot profession will be shouldered by the regionals. Your FOs at SWA will be regional pilots.... most likely RJ Captains who know their stuff......

Most people who don't know who ASA, MESA or who SkyWest is... it is eaiser to say Delta or Delta Connection.....

If pilots want to go to SWA or DAL they are going to have to go to the regionals... it is really the only game in town.....
 

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