It's Time for a Minimum Wage for Airline Pilots

[RedDogC130]

You can't consider ALPA a union.... how can a union represent the pilots of 1 airline yet the other airline they represent wants to steal thier flying...ie legacy vs. regional.... It is a backwards system with each hand punching the face trying to win....each airline should have their own seperate in-house union to represent those pilots and not have to worry about the master union and the other companies they represent....how does that make sense....nobody to this day has been able to justify this to me...anyone care to try?

 

[WayBack]

You can't consider ALPA a union.... how can a union represent the pilots of 1 airline yet the other airline they represent wants to steal thier flying...ie legacy vs. regional.... It is a backwards system with each hand punching the face trying to win....each airline should have their own seperate in-house union to represent those pilots and not have to worry about the master union and the other companies they represent....how does that make sense....nobody to this day has been able to justify this to me...anyone care to try?

Wait, this means someone else gets it! Rez and PFT128 will be the first to tell you, you're stupid and don't understand. Then they will give some BS answer about that's how the RLA/ALPA operates, you know, a real union.....that's been dead for 50yrs.
But lately, it seems like ALPA's sole purpose for existence is for safety only, not preservation of airlines or pilot pay. Even though in ALPA's Bible, Fate is the Hunter, there is a quote stating ALPA's number one prerogative is Pilot Pay......but these same clowns will try and convince you that you're reading too far into it, or you misunderstood what he really meant.

 

[relief tube]

Lame and unAmerican concept.

Let the market forces rule, tethered by the mild socialism of collective bargaining.

thanks for talking, Rush

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You can't consider ALPA a union.... how can a union represent the pilots of 1 airline yet the other airline they represent wants to steal thier flying...ie legacy vs. regional.... It is a backwards system with each hand punching the face trying to win....each airline should have their own seperate in-house union to represent those pilots and not have to worry about the master union and the other companies they represent....how does that make sense....nobody to this day has been able to justify this to me...anyone care to try?

Would the 50 United States work without the Fed?

Each pilot group is their own autonomous unit. They govern themselves and use their own policy manual. However, when it comes to national issues, there is a representation structure there as well.

Two things for a LUV pilot to consider. SWAPA's CapHill presence is weak. This is where all of the laws and policy are agreed upon that determine your career. If you don't have a seat at the table how can you even begin to participate in the rules that control your career? CAPA is a great idea but they lack long term established relationships and "street cred". Putting out a 'press release' is easy.

The regionals and the legacy pilots are better off together than not.... First.. money talks, BS walks... how much would the dues rate have to be at the regionals for effectiveness. To be sure, regional pilots will complain if the dues rate is >1.95%, all while they will complain that their regional in house union is ineffective. No money... no staff, nothing gets done. I am guess dues would have to be close to 10% at a regional in order for them to be effective.

 

[WayBack]

Two things for a LUV pilot to consider. SWAPA's CapHill presence is weak. This is where all of the laws and policy are agreed upon that determine your career. If you don't have a seat at the table how can you even begin to participate in the rules that control your career? CAPA is a great idea but they lack long term established relationships and "street cred". Putting out a 'press release' is easy.

Ok, and ALPA still has a seat and it's weak. What actually gets done on "CapHill"? Ah, just what I thought, nothing! Pilots are still working the same BS FAR's that they have been for the last 75yrs. But hey, you have a seat at the head table. Good for you.
What's ALPA's "street cred"? You'd be amazed how many pilots see ALPA for the joke that it is.

I am guess dues would have to be close to 10% at a regional in order for them to be effective.

In-house our ALPA, both are ineffective.

 

[RedDogC130]

I would have to say, (acting like a ALPA person) "what has ALPA done for me lately?"..please name 1 thing ALPO has done in the past 5 years that has benifited any pilot group it has represented?....

please state the name of the "airline" and the "benefit" it has gotten by being represented by ALPO...bet you can't name anything..

 

[WayBack]

I would have to say, (acting like a ALPA person) "what has ALPA done for me lately?"..please name 1 thing ALPO has done in the past 5 years that has benifited any pilot group it has represented?....

please state the name of the "airline" and the "benefit" it has gotten by being represented by ALPO...bet you can't name anything..

I was doing some reading on that Boeing 787. Turns out ALPA really does have a hand/voice in creating that airplane.
Now it's clear as to why the airplane is so behind schedule and may never be put into production.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I would have to say, (acting like a ALPA person) "what has ALPA done for me lately?"..please name 1 thing ALPO has done in the past 5 years that has benifited any pilot group it has represented?....

please state the name of the "airline" and the "benefit" it has gotten by being represented by ALPO...bet you can't name anything..

edit your post and I will....

 

[WayBack]

edit your post and I will....

Why should he have to edit it? We have to decode have the crap you write...or did he hurt your wittle feewings?

 

[pipejockey]

Winner!!!!!!

Is supply and demand a concept familiar to anyone?

If one person does not want to fly for those wages, a few thousand bright-eyed kids who are subsidised by their parents, or are chomping at the bit to stop flight instruction will gladly step up to "pay their dues". Nothing will change this.

Oh geez, another supply and demand zealot. Well back in 2008 when regionals stopped hiring due to the cutbacks as a result of oil prices, most airlines were down to 300 total and 50 ME from where they usually start at which is 1500/500. And during these times when the regionals had to drop mins to the level of a freshly minted commercial pilot, both ASA and Mesa signed contracts. The lack of supply during a time of great demand didn't help those POS contracts did they?
Pay should be based on the job you do. It should be commiserate with the competence, level of performance and professionalism demanded. Not something as arbitrary as supply and demand. Pilots aren't widgets. We are people who do a very important job in which a whole lot is expected of them, not to mention the difficult lifestyle.