It's official. Pinnacle mgt asking for 5% paycut for pilots

[altimaklr]

The block award is just seniority numbers and seat slot minimums. Filling of vacancies and displacements can be awarded out of order with union consent, hypothetically.

 

[XJohXJ]

The block award is just seniority numbers and seat slot minimums. Filling of vacancies and displacements can be awarded out of order with union consent, hypothetically.

That would go over like a ton of bricks.

 

[i fly boxes]

I think it's 60 200's over the course of 3 years but
don't quotation mark me

 

[On Your Six]

OY6, remember one thing-this is very important. The term fair is relative to your perception.

I sat in a a ALPA meeting where on a slide show presentation, they had a number of things listed as what was ALPA merger policy. One of the words that was larger than the rest, in bold lettering, was "LONGEVITY". That it must be respected. When I brought this very slide up, and how our arbitrator did not respect mine and many others longevity. They tried to deflect my question every way possible. I want my 4-5 years of ALPA dues back, as I was not represented in those years-as my LONGEVITY was $hit on.

Oh and for those of you at Pinnacle who think our concessions will save this train wreck, Guess what? PInnacle cannot cancel out the Block decision without a bankruptcy. Pinnacle cannot cancel lease's without BK.

Does anyone know the verbage in the ASA on the provisions Delta has if Pinnacle declares BK? I am sure there is some back room handshakes going on as there are Delta reps on Pinnacles board.

Don't agree to binding arbitration if you can't handle ALL possible outcomes.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[A-10_JetMech]

We were all stupid enough to choose aviation as a career. Either make a career change or quit complaining, and put up with this industrie's crap until you retire!

 

[xjlifer]

Checking in to see if it was the same old crap....yep it is.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

We were all stupid enough to choose aviation as a career. Either make a career change or quit complaining, and put up with this industrie's crap until you retire!

I like it...

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Met some great people in my time at 9E, If the judge will take it away anyways, why give it away now? Your salary is not the problem (not like you make that much anyway) we were sold a lie after 9/11 that to this day many believe, we were told that because of the cost of the employees they can't make money, this lie has placed the American pilot as the lowest paid of all the industrialized countries, the cost of oil? Oil has been rising in price since it started to come out of the ground, they can't make money with an employee cost of $110/hour???
nonesense. Regionals asking for concession, What is this world coming to?

 

[Raskal]

Met some great people in my time at 9E, If the judge will take it away anyways, why give it away now? Your salary is not the problem (not like you make that much anyway) we were sold a lie after 9/11 that to this day many believe, we were told that because of the cost of the employees they can't make money, this lie has placed the American pilot as the lowest paid of all the industrialized countries, the cost of oil? Oil has been rising in price since it started to come out of the ground, they can't make money with an employee cost of $110/hour???
nonesense. Regionals asking for concession, What is this world coming to?

Please stop making perfect sense. Not only is this FI, it's the regional section.

 

[xjhawk]

yeah I thought I heard somewhere from our union that the ASA that the company signed was a "profit" contract. How can Pinnacle pilots 5% matter when they are supposed to make a profit?

 

[Smarta$$]

Add to that, "wanna-be white collar smug snobs". We are absolutely the greatest hurdle to our own success.

Agree...

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It's not an issue of "guts." ALPA created the Career Security Protocol Committee (CSPC), which was responsible for determining how to move forward with a national seniority list or something similar. They completed their work last year. Unfortunately, they found the same thing that every other group that has worked on this issue has found: the individual pilot groups just won't support it. Every time this is tried, you get the same thing: the pilot groups that are furloughing or stagnated demand a national list, and the other pilot groups refuse to even consider it. The comical thing is that the pilot groups switch every time it comes up. Last time, the UAL guys were fighting it, because they had 3-year upgrades at the time. This time, they were the ones who proposed the idea!

To put it simply, pilots are selfish. If it works in their favor, they want a national list. If it doesn't, then they oppose it. Until that changes, then no initiative by ALPA will fix it.

I am aware of that, the mistakes were made in the beginning.
The best answer today would be to get this list started for any new entrants. Eventually as everyone in ahead of the list ends their career the list will put itself in place.
Kinda like how the 3 way merger was done with Mesaba, Pinnacle, and Colgan. Merging the pre 7/1/10 was (and still would be a mess with no easy fix) the post 7/1/10 hires were simple, DOH no questions asked. Same could be with any future mergers.

 

[ex j-41]

We were all stupid enough to choose aviation as a career. Either make a career change or quit complaining, and put up with this industrie's crap until you retire!

Or you can grow a spine and work to make life better for those coming into the industry. Rather than getting on your knees and taking up the rear like some people here like to do....

 

[Flyer1015]

Don't agree to binding arbitration if you can't handle ALL possible outcomes.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

You make it sound like we pawns had any say in it. The corrupt idiots running the show agreed to binding arbitration, not the average line pilot.