It's like AT ALPA is trying to burn their undeserved lottery ticket...

[dicko]

There's that math deficient 32% again.... For the 100th time- Under DOH, what would your % loss of seniority be?

An interesting question. I dusted of my trusty abacus and after 3 hours of work came up with 45989 % ...... I was shocked.

Reworking the numbers I found that my seniority loss using DOH would be 11%. I'd be a very, very junior CA. Under this proposed agreement I'm a very, very junior CA and I will remain that way for the next 10 years.

The advantage of DOH would be that there would be no need for all of the protections and conditions. I still wouldn't be able to hold ATL and a SWA pilot probably would. No problem.

 

[GoodTimes]

Why argue about the agreement now? It is what it is. Vote accordingly if an when you're given the opportunity.

 

[humveedriver]

Humvee- where on earth do you think you deserve a DOH integration with the company that bought you. You get your longevity for pay- but me and our FOs shouldn't be punished for taking the extra time it took to get the swa job- that's a fact you guys like to ignore

Wave the best I can offer is I'm sorry SWA bought us. I know it messes things up for alot of people. For the next ten years at least. I don't think SWA will be the same after this. It won't be terrible. But I think it's just another step in making SWA another large corporation. I hope I'm wrong. I have always admired the slow steady growth of SWA, seems like GK is getting away from what has worked for so long. I guess that's one reason why I think the seniority number is worth more than the seat. Understand I am a 2001 guy sitting on the upgrade fence by SWA timelines.

 

[Music]

Wave the best I can offer is I'm sorry SWA bought us. I know it messes things up for alot of people. For the next ten years at least. I don't think SWA will be the same after this. It won't be terrible. But I think it's just another step in making SWA another large corporation. I hope I'm wrong. I have always admired the slow steady growth of SWA, seems like GK is getting away from what has worked for so long. I guess that's one reason why I think the seniority number is worth more than the seat. Understand I am a 2001 guy sitting on the upgrade fence by SWA timelines.

If we were looking at an agreement that was much closer to DOH, even without many of the proposed C & Rs that are supposed to "protect" us, I would be much more willing to vote yes. Unfortunately, we're not. That's why you're seeing many of the AT captains that this agreement was supposed to appeal to, reject it.

 

[Kharma Police]

If we were looking at an agreement that was much closer to DOH, even without many of the proposed C & Rs that are supposed to "protect" us, I would be much more willing to vote yes. Unfortunately, we're not. That's why you're seeing many of the AT captains that this agreement was supposed to appeal to, reject it.

I trust Slick and Big Sis about as far as I can throw them, we have the right to decide our own future. I have a list of questions for the roadshow but for now, I'm voting yes.

 

[GuppyWN]

If we were looking at an agreement that was much closer to DOH, even without many of the proposed C & Rs that are supposed to "protect" us, I would be much more willing to vote yes. Unfortunately, we're not. That's why you're seeing many of the AT captains that this agreement was supposed to appeal to, reject it.

How much closer do DOH? Just scanning the list I don't recall seeing ANY Airtran captain losing 3.5 years. 3 at the top to under 2 at the bottom is what I remember.

Gup

 

[dicko]

How much closer do DOH? Just scanning the list I don't recall seeing ANY Airtran captain losing 3.5 years. 3 at the top to under 2 at the bottom is what I remember.

Gup

I lost 3.75 years. I'd show you, but then I'd have to keep you in my basement.

 

[Music]

I trust Slick and Big Sis about as far as I can throw them, we have the right to decide our own future. I have a list of questions for the roadshow but for now, I'm voting yes.

I do get that. I really do. As a matter of fact, I too have very little confidence in the union right now. Unfortunately, my vote is not a referendum on my confidence in the union. My no vote is based solely on the agreement. As I stated in my original post earlier today, I am voting for what's bet for my family, and I would expect others to do same, so I respect that you have to vote yes for your own reasons Karma.

 

[GuppyWN]

I lost 3.75 years. I'd show you, but then I'd have to keep you in my basement.

LOL.... fair enough. I think I'll take your word for it.

Gup

 

[Music]

How much closer do DOH? Just scanning the list I don't recall seeing ANY Airtran captain losing 3.5 years. 3 at the top to under 2 at the bottom is what I remember.

Gup

Gup, I lost 3.91 years as an 11 year captain (mid '01 to mid '05). Unfortunately, the C & Rs are as much of a problem as the SLI, for me that is.