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In the past I had a mix of difficult and relaxing trips ... I have noticed the density of difficult trips has increased over past couple of years ... so may be something to the idea people are leaving the difficult trips on frax shares...

I had thought scheduling had it in for me ...
 
gunfyter said:
In the past I had a mix of difficult and relaxing trips ... I have noticed the density of difficult trips has increased over past couple of years ... so may be something to the idea people are leaving the difficult trips on frax shares...

I had thought scheduling had it in for me ...
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I think we all have felt that way.
 
gunfyter said:
In the past I had a mix of difficult and relaxing trips ... I have noticed the density of difficult trips has increased over past couple of years ... so may be something to the idea people are leaving the difficult trips on frax shares...

I had thought scheduling had it in for me ...
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What's a difficult trip as compared to a relaxing trip?
 
I guess its somewhat a matter of opinion ...

I prefer going from one ILS airport to another both with nice long runways , in areas where there is almost never icing or runway contamination, obstacles like mountains ... etc. Preferably on days with no atc traffic issues and slow downs ....

I rather go to Manhattan Kansas than DFW or Newark ... :D
 
Oh come on who does'nt enjoy going into TEB every other day and waiting for over an hour to takeoff because there is a cloud over one of the departure fixes. It' extra fun when it's your last day on and trying to get home!
 
NJAowner said:
NETJETS.....When you absolutely HAVE to be there.

Let me rephrase that -- when you actually have to schedule a flight. When you get there is another issue.
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Mr NJAowner,

Could you please point me to a better option for getting you somewhere. Including fractional, charter, airlines, or any option. For getting you somewhere, when something goes wrong.

Because, lets be honest. Planes break, weather goes bad, and situations arise. Can you please point me to a better option.

Because your reply here implies Netjets is inferior. I believe you are wrong. And your keeping a smaller share proves me right.
 
CE750Driver -- none of my complaints have ever dealt with weather or mechanical issues or any issues other than NJA did not want to deliver a plane at the specified time --it was "more economically efficient for them to provide me with my contractual credit rather than provide the flight at the requested time". Those are NJA's words, not mine. I have been around long enough to understand delays caused by weather, mechanical issues, pilot fatigue, etc. Things happen - I understand. But now it seems someone makes a determination of the cost to get a tight flight to happen versus delay it a few hours and let an aircraft and crew who will be there later handle it. That is what upsets me -- when my contractual call out time is something the company just sort-of tries to meet. Many years ago it seemed liked all the "stops were pulled out" to get me a plane when I needed it -- even if it meant upgrading an Excel to a Falcon 2000. That does not happen much anymore.

Keeping my smaller share is strictly an economic issue -- it was underflow for a while (purposely) and if I terminate I do not get a credit for the underflown hours.
 
NJAowner said:
CE750Driver -- none of my complaints have ever dealt with weather or mechanical issues or any issues other than NJA did not want to deliver a plane at the specified time --it was "more economically efficient for them to provide me with my contractual credit rather than provide the flight at the requested time". Those are NJA's words, not mine. I have been around long enough to understand delays caused by weather, mechanical issues, pilot fatigue, etc. Things happen - I understand. But now it seems someone makes a determination of the cost to get a tight flight to happen versus delay it a few hours and let an aircraft and crew who will be there later handle it. That is what upsets me -- when my contractual call out time is something the company just sort-of tries to meet. Many years ago it seemed liked all the "stops were pulled out" to get me a plane when I needed it -- even if it meant upgrading an Excel to a Falcon 2000. That does not happen much anymore.

Keeping my smaller share is strictly an economic issue -- it was underflow for a while (purposely) and if I terminate I do not get a credit for the underflown hours.
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its the unions fault.
 
NJAowner said:
CE750Driver -- none of my complaints have ever dealt with weather or mechanical issues or any issues other than NJA did not want to deliver a plane at the specified time --it was "more economically efficient for them to provide me with my contractual credit rather than provide the flight at the requested time". Those are NJA's words, not mine. I have been around long enough to understand delays caused by weather, mechanical issues, pilot fatigue, etc. Things happen - I understand. But now it seems someone makes a determination of the cost to get a tight flight to happen versus delay it a few hours and let an aircraft and crew who will be there later handle it. That is what upsets me -- when my contractual call out time is something the company just sort-of tries to meet. Many years ago it seemed liked all the "stops were pulled out" to get me a plane when I needed it -- even if it meant upgrading an Excel to a Falcon 2000. That does not happen much anymore.

Keeping my smaller share is strictly an economic issue -- it was underflow for a while (purposely) and if I terminate I do not get a credit for the underflown hours.
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Interesting that nobody wants to maturely respond to this post.
 
NJAowner said:
CE750Driver -- none of my complaints have ever dealt with weather or mechanical issues or any issues other than NJA did not want to deliver a plane at the specified time --it was "more economically efficient for them to provide me with my contractual credit rather than provide the flight at the requested time". Those are NJA's words, not mine. I have been around long enough to understand delays caused by weather, mechanical issues, pilot fatigue, etc. Things happen - I understand. But now it seems someone makes a determination of the cost to get a tight flight to happen versus delay it a few hours and let an aircraft and crew who will be there later handle it. That is what upsets me -- when my contractual call out time is something the company just sort-of tries to meet. Many years ago it seemed liked all the "stops were pulled out" to get me a plane when I needed it -- even if it meant upgrading an Excel to a Falcon 2000. That does not happen much anymore.

Keeping my smaller share is strictly an economic issue -- it was underflow for a while (purposely) and if I terminate I do not get a credit for the underflown hours.
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Then as soon as you fly your hours, we look forward to seeing you as XOowner. You may think Nejets doesn't do enough to cover your flights anymore. But I think you will find no one else in the industry can do it better. I wish you luck finding that out.
 
Tough times and it is sad to see what has happened to our industry.

We all have to dig in and do the best we can and make private aviation better and take care of the people who pay our salaries...the client. The funk we are in is bad for everyone.
 
NJAowner said:
CE750Driver -- none of my complaints have ever dealt with weather or mechanical issues or any issues other than NJA did not want to deliver a plane at the specified time --it was "more economically efficient for them to provide me with my contractual credit rather than provide the flight at the requested time". Those are NJA's words, not mine. I have been around long enough to understand delays caused by weather, mechanical issues, pilot fatigue, etc. Things happen - I understand. But now it seems someone makes a determination of the cost to get a tight flight to happen versus delay it a few hours and let an aircraft and crew who will be there later handle it. That is what upsets me -- when my contractual call out time is something the company just sort-of tries to meet. Many years ago it seemed liked all the "stops were pulled out" to get me a plane when I needed it -- even if it meant upgrading an Excel to a Falcon 2000. That does not happen much anymore.

Keeping my smaller share is strictly an economic issue -- it was underflow for a while (purposely) and if I terminate I do not get a credit for the underflown hours.
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Sorry to hear that. This is not a good way to meet owner expectations.
 
gret said:
Tough times and it is sad to see what has happened to our industry.

We all have to dig in and do the best we can and make private aviation better and take care of the people who pay our salaries...the client. The funk we are in is bad for everyone.
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I think all the providers are figuring out what Cessna figured out. Fractional in the form it has evolved to is, for lack of a better description,"a Ponzi scheme". The quarter shares concept NJ invented probably was the most viable. Once you start splitting aircraft into 16 and more shares, the overhead required to deliver on the guarantees is overwhelming. NJ is probably best suited to deliver with its scale, the others cannot, unless they charge ridiculous prices or lose ridiculous sums of money.
 
Sparse said:
I think all the providers are figuring out what Cessna figured out.
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The only thing Cessna figured out was how to sell a bunch of airplanes to NJ in exchange for a fractional/jetcard non compete clause.

Even as the industry diversifies fractional still remains its most profitable component.
 
Probably been asked and answered before:

How are fleet assignments allocated? Fleet need at the time or are choices sometimes offered? What is the seat-lock minimum? And, any trends in fleet assignments lately for newhires?

Thanks
 
jonjuan said:
because more are also now realizing that he's not, nor ever was, an owner.
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What do you expect from an Anonymous message board?

Unless NJOwner walks-up and introduces himself/herself to a crewmember on an actual NJ or XO flight, nobody will ever honestly be able to know for sure.

Truth be told, does it really matter?

Here at Flightinfo, I'm sure we have former pilots pretending to be current pilots, others pretending to be owners, management and other non-pilots pretending to be active line pilots, girls pretending to be boys (or vice versa), etc....

I think what's important are the subjects and topics discussed. The stronger position supported by fact and rational argument always wins. IMO, it doesn't matter who happens to be hacking-away from the other end of cyberspace.

As long as there is intelligent, thought-provoking and informative discussion, attempting to prove/disprove the identity of someone posting to this message board is simply a waste of time because you'll never be able to verify without a doubt one way or the other....
 
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jetlag7 said:
What do you expect from an Anonymous message board?

Unless NJOwner walks-up and introduces himself/herself to a crewmember on an actual NJ or XO flight, nobody will ever honestly be able to know for sure.

Truth be told, does it really matter?

Here at Flightinfo, I'm sure we have former pilots pretending to be current pilots, others pretending to be owners, management and other non-pilots pretending to be active line pilots, girls pretending to be boys (or vice versa), etc....

I think what's important are the subjects and topics discussed. The stronger position supported by fact and rational argument always wins. IMO, it doesn't matter who happens to be hacking-away from the other end of cyberspace.

As long as there is intelligent, thought-provoking and informative discussion, attempting to prove/disprove the identity of someone posting to this message board is simply a waste of time because you'll never be able to verify without a doubt one way or the other....
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Dead on and well said!

I'm a cross dressing magician and juggler from Pattaya and really thank my Buddha for finding such a delightful group of people as has been demonstrated time again here on FlightInfo. It has helped with my English and grammar all get out and the patience exhibited by everyone is appreciated. In a few more years, I will learn and be able to "impose my will on mgmt" and shout "no concessions" or "what about my QOL" (what does this mean?), "company doesn't need profits, give us raises...we're professionals!", "old guys...retire and make room for me!" and other sayings that are so popular here, but so foreign to me.
 
NJ Wife

Where is this lady been latley?
 
Praetorian said:
The only thing Cessna figured out was how to sell a bunch of airplanes to NJ in exchange for a fractional/jetcard non compete clause.

Even as the industry diversifies fractional still remains its most profitable component.
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You just may be onto something here...:)
 

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