Is XO really hiring?

[Sparse]

This showed up on indeed.com today.


Pilots - U.S.A. - new
XOJET - United States
XOJET, Inc is currently hiring qualified pilots to join our team of professionals who are home based—positive space commutes on your first and last day of work....
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[CALRepublic]

Why are you so surprised that they're hiring?

They started late, when things had already settled down, and people knew what the market was going to look like, then they grew modestly. And unlike the others, when things went to s***t 4 years ago, they didn't have a huge surplus of pilots and airplanes.

Good management, but better timing

 

[propsarebest]

I think the ocean of resumes has shrunk. We had 12K resumes on file at one time.

 

[propsarebest]

If you call doubling the fleet in 15 months growing modestly, then OK.

Not too many new airplanes slated for delivery this year.

 

[NJAowner]

and everyone I know who has flown XOJet lately (including me), used to use NJ for that same long flight. I believe most of the XOJet growth has come at the expense of NJ. I do not think there are many new entrants in the private jet market at that level.

 

[Xcorporate]

Well the N.Y. sales guru from Netjets is at XO now. Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't take a list of contacts with him, also at the expense of Netjets.

 

[CALRepublic]

It has nothing to do with better service, better sales people, etc... XoJet is cheaper, that's all there is to it.

I flew with a pilot, his daughter works for Netjets as a sales rep. She told him "Dad I can't compete with Xojet, they're so much cheaper". She says she lost 5 perspective clients to them in November.

I hope Xojet does not start a race to the bottom (financially speaking)

 

[brokeflyer]

i sure wouldnt look at price if buying a frac share. id want the most expensive. you get what you pay for. Why do wealthy people buy a $100,000 rolls royce when a Chrysler 300 does the same job?

 

[CFIIer]

i sure wouldnt look at price if buying a frac share. id want the most expensive. you get what you pay for. Why do wealthy people buy a $100,000 rolls royce when a Chrysler 300 does the same job?

Most rich people are some of the biggest penny-pinchers out there. Its only the people that didn't really work hard for it (most athletes and movie stars), that spend it like its nothing. If I was a rich guy looking for a private jet to take me somewhere, I'd be looking for the company that cost the least, without having a reputation for being unsafe. The days of people paying for something just because of its name, are starting to fizzle.

 

[brokeflyer]

it seems i wasnt clear. Would you shop around then for cheapest heart surgeon?

 

[jonjuan]

i sure wouldnt look at price if buying a frac share. id want the most expensive. you get what you pay for. Why do wealthy people buy a $100,000 rolls royce when a Chrysler 300 does the same job?

Good thing you'll never have that problem. Have fun shopping for dentucream at Walmart

 

[jonjuan]

It has nothing to do with better service, better sales people, etc... XoJet is cheaper, that's all there is to it.

I flew with a pilot, his daughter works for Netjets as a sales rep. She told him "Dad I can't compete with Xojet, they're so much cheaper". She says she lost 5 perspective clients to them in November.

Maybe she needs bigger boobs!

 

[t-bone]

i sure wouldnt look at price if buying a frac share. id want the most expensive. you get what you pay for. Why do wealthy people buy a $100,000 rolls royce when a Chrysler 300 does the same job?

If you are going to make that comparison, then you need to compare corporate business jet travel to Southwest, Amtrak and Greyhound. They'll all get you where you need to go, so why pay the money to fly private? Ridiculous comparison if you ask me.

If Rolls Royce of Beverly Hills is charging $100k more than Rolls Royce of Newport Beach, do you think our clients are going to buy the most expensive car?

Perhaps it's time to stop looking at XOJET as cheap and start looking at NetJets as over-inflated. When we're able to charge an extra $4000 to guarantee a Challenger on a trans-con, or $8500/hour with a 2 hour MINIMUM, I'd hardly say we're the cheapest.

And don't bother with the safety aspect when XO ferried a 300 from Denver to IAD because I called in fatigued and couldn't/wouldn't fly the next days trip.

 

[brokeflyer]

it has nothing to do with the plane. Netjets has better pilots.

















wink

 

[t-bone]

it has nothing to do with the plane. Netjets has better pilots.

















wink

Oh yeah...I forgot. Disregard my previous statements.

 

[duc driver]

My app has been on file since 07, maybe I'll get a call at some point.

 

[t-bone]

My app has been on file since 07, maybe I'll get a call at some point.

Good luck. I'm sure you're aware this is not the same company it was in 2007.

 

[duc driver]

t-bone, to be honest I have not been keeping up on xojet for the last 2 years. I finally upgraded at XJT and haven't been looking around too much. Are you still enjoying working there?

 

[Sparse]

Still no answer. I have a friend that was hired this past summer, gave notice and quit his job to only find out his class was cancelled. So is XO hiring. I don't want to work there I just am asking the question.

 

[Sparse]

Why are you so surprised that they're hiring?

They started late, when things had already settled down, and people knew what the market was going to look like, then they grew modestly. And unlike the others, when things went to s***t 4 years ago, they didn't have a huge surplus of pilots and airplanes.

Good management, but better timing

No surprise either way. I just asked a question.

 

[NJAowner]

It is not just about "cheaper". XOJet (and I have seen many of the numbers) is a much more efficient operation than NetJets. A good part of it is that XOJet (1) has pricing flexibility and (2) has flight flexiblity, 2 items that NetJets and the other fracs do not have. XOJet only flies flights it deems profitable (or charges much more for less profitable flight). And except for a very few customers at the highest level, XOJet does not guarantee that it will handle any flight any time (like the fracs). So it can price accordingly. The frac model needs to spread the extra costs of the inefficient flights onto the longer profitable flights. XOJet does not need to do that. Except for someone who flies rarely, XOJet is not a pure substitute for a fractional share -- however, it is a substitute for part of a shares. Many people I know have cut their NJA hours in half -- they fly 50% (mainly ling flights on XOJet for about 1/2 the NJA cost), and then use their smaller fractional share for shorter flights and when they absolutely have to be there and XOJet cant handle the flight in a cost effective manner.

 

[brokeflyer]

NETJETS.....When you absolutely HAVE to be there.


thats gonna add at least 2 more pages to this discussion.

 

[NJAowner]

NETJETS.....When you absolutely HAVE to be there.

Let me rephrase that -- when you actually have to schedule a flight. When you get there is another issue.

 

[X-rated]

NJAowner, and it seems many of his friends, have figured out how to game the system and bypass the inefficiencies. The reality is some owners at Netjets are getting great deals because their short and remote flying is subsidized by those owners who use their shares for longer more profitable routes. The flip side is the poor bastards who fly mainly cost to cost with Netjets are getting ripped off. As more owners figure it out, NJA will be stuck with all the high cost undesirable legs while other operators cherry pick the more profitable flights.

Don't hate the playa; hate the game...

 

[NJAowner]

X-Rated --- BINGO! you hit the nail on the head -- or as they like to post on this website -- winner winner chicken dinner.

I do not know of anyone who has given up all their frax shares for XOJet -- just downsized the share. In my opinion, XOJet is the first charter operator to bring frax safety and service levels to the market on a wide scale basis.

 

[JokerFuel]

Screw Net Jets...screw em all! I hope XO and everyone else hires these great people that need good and viable employment. I'm a Frac guy.... No ********************e. As pilots, all we should focus on is where we make our living. There will always be competition. I wish everyone the best.

 

[imacdog]

Personally I hope the companies that pay the best are the ones doing the hiring, but that's just me.

 

[Praetorian]

It will be interesting to see how the upcoming major airline hiring boom effects the fractional industry. With a projected 2-3 thousand pilots expected to retire from the majors, starting this year and running through 2035, we are sure to see a significant reshuffling of pilots throughly the industry.

Factor in the 1500hr rule and experienced pilots will be in demand. The majors will not be able to get away with the, "just be quiet and don't touch anything son", approach to co-pilot training they employed during the last hiring boom in the 60's. And the Fracs can't really get away with hiring low time pilots.

So I think experienced pilots will be a commodity. Where will they chose to work? The majors and also good corporate jobs (few and far between), will attract a lot of these pilots. That leaves the frac companies that have unions to gobble up most of the rest.

Why? Because, simply put, the work rules and job protections contained in a cba have great value. This is also one of the reasons the majors are at the top of a lot of pilots lists.

Question for Flops and NJ guys. Can you ever imagine going back to work for a large non-union company?

Question for NJOwner. Is XO going to seem like an attractive place to be if all its pilots are 20 something?

 

[eightdriver]

I was hired into the pool at XO Jet last May.... Am currently #4 of 12... Still waiting for a class date. So i would say they are not currently hiring.

 

[Sparse]

I was hired into the pool at XO Jet last May.... Am currently #4 of 12... Still waiting for a class date. So i would say they are not currently hiring.

At last an answer. Thanks