Is Pro Standards really enough in cases like this?

[viper548]

Talk to the captain first.

 

[JPAustin]

'Bout time someone said it. There are so many bitches in this industry nowadays. You don't fricking turn someone in because in your humble opinion, they screwed up. You deal with the problem, and mention it to the captain next time you see him. In other words you handle it. Like a man. Man up, junior.

This is by far one of the stupidest threads I've seen here in weeks.

I'm not familiar with Pinnacle ops much less the CRJ, but it sounds like this infraction was pretty severe at worst, unprofessional at best. It isn't a manner of narcing (sp?), it is a matter of principle. If some guy gives me a plane that he/she flew four legs on with such gross errors, that is a safety concern and I am now obliged to bring it up. I don't want to ruin the person's career (assuming they aren't an habitual idiot or jerk), so my line of attack is contact the guy first, express my dislike of his/her practices and how the safety oversight can affect ME or any other crew, tell him/her I will follow up on my own in some given amount of time, and hope he/she does the right thing and admits the failure. But I will have an eye out for that matter coming up in the ASAP reports, if it doesn't come up on its own by another means (crew gets caught).

Regardless, that crew is going to get caught somehow, it always happens. This isn't a matter of calling the guy on his cell to come back to the plane because he forgot to sign a logpage. This matter sounds far worse than that.

 

[JPAustin]

Oh yes, and WHEN they get caught (if they do nothing), I would get in trouble as well, since I would be the crew who witnessed the negligence but did nothing about it. That is known as guilt by association.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'm not familiar with Pinnacle ops much less the CRJ, but it sounds like this infraction was pretty severe at worst, unprofessional at best. It isn't a manner of narcing (sp?), it is a matter of principle. If some guy gives me a plane that he/she flew four legs on with such gross errors, that is a safety concern and I am now obliged to bring it up. I don't want to ruin the person's career (assuming they aren't an habitual idiot or jerk), so my line of attack is contact the guy first, express my dislike of his/her practices and how the safety oversight can affect ME or any other crew, tell him/her I will follow up on my own in some given amount of time, and hope he/she does the right thing and admits the failure. But I will have an eye out for that matter coming up in the ASAP reports, if it doesn't come up on its own by another means (crew gets caught).

Regardless, that crew is going to get caught somehow, it always happens. This isn't a matter of calling the guy on his cell to come back to the plane because he forgot to sign a logpage. This matter sounds far worse than that.

No, wrong approach. If you lectured me like that I'd ask you who you think you are then meet you in the parking lot. You'll follow up? Who the F do you think you are?!!!

Your best bet is to simply describe the problem to the captain, as you witnessed it. Then if the problem recurs, you go to Pro Stans.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Oh yes, and WHEN they get caught (if they do nothing), I would get in trouble as well, since I would be the crew who witnessed the negligence but did nothing about it. That is known as guilt by association.

You'll get in trouble? How?

Cite the reg that punishes you for not narking your buddy out (other than drugs/alcohol).

Don't be a tool. "Guilty by association"? You watch too many crime shows, Danno.

 

[regionaltard]

Agreed. Go to Pro Stands. Going to management isn't even an option.

It would be a real shame if FOs started writing up these elderly Captains for every little mistake they make. A real shame....

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