Is Pro Standards really enough in cases like this?

[John Pennekamp]

It doesn't matter if the crew were both "newbies", you shouldn't be a whiney little b1tch and report someone to prostands for some stupid sh1t.

'Bout time someone said it. There are so many bitches in this industry nowadays. You don't fricking turn someone in because in your humble opinion, they screwed up. You deal with the problem, and mention it to the captain next time you see him. In other words you handle it. Like a man. Man up, junior.

This is by far one of the stupidest threads I've seen here in weeks.

 

[Flyprdu]

Naaaarrrc!!

 

[SpoilerFault]

I'm in MX but the same priniciples apply....it's much better to handle the situation by talking to the crew that had the a/c previously rather than jumping to conclusions and making a huge pain in the ass for all parties involved. Anyone is subject to making a mistake and why go to pro-standards if you don't have all the facts? If it were indeed some sort of "rookie mistake" on the part of that crew, they'll likely learn a lesson and appreciate the fact that a fellow pilot came to them with the problem/questions man to man....my .02

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Nothing woring with calling Pro Stands or PSC... the first question they will probably ask is ... "Did you try and resolve this on your own?"

 

[skyslug]

Rez is correct...that is the first question Pro Stan's asks. Plus (with my previous carrier) contacting Pro Stan's keeps it out of the CP's hands and out of your file; there's no record of it and you can't be disciplined for it if it's something Pro Stan's decides to get involved with.

But first you must discuss this with the previous captain (do NOT accuse him of anything).

by contacting Pro Stan's you are not turning anyone in, in fact you have the opportunity to save that person from the CP's office and possible discipline!

 

[viper548]

Talk to the captain first.

 

[JPAustin]

'Bout time someone said it. There are so many bitches in this industry nowadays. You don't fricking turn someone in because in your humble opinion, they screwed up. You deal with the problem, and mention it to the captain next time you see him. In other words you handle it. Like a man. Man up, junior.

This is by far one of the stupidest threads I've seen here in weeks.

I'm not familiar with Pinnacle ops much less the CRJ, but it sounds like this infraction was pretty severe at worst, unprofessional at best. It isn't a manner of narcing (sp?), it is a matter of principle. If some guy gives me a plane that he/she flew four legs on with such gross errors, that is a safety concern and I am now obliged to bring it up. I don't want to ruin the person's career (assuming they aren't an habitual idiot or jerk), so my line of attack is contact the guy first, express my dislike of his/her practices and how the safety oversight can affect ME or any other crew, tell him/her I will follow up on my own in some given amount of time, and hope he/she does the right thing and admits the failure. But I will have an eye out for that matter coming up in the ASAP reports, if it doesn't come up on its own by another means (crew gets caught).

Regardless, that crew is going to get caught somehow, it always happens. This isn't a matter of calling the guy on his cell to come back to the plane because he forgot to sign a logpage. This matter sounds far worse than that.

 

[JPAustin]

Oh yes, and WHEN they get caught (if they do nothing), I would get in trouble as well, since I would be the crew who witnessed the negligence but did nothing about it. That is known as guilt by association.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'm not familiar with Pinnacle ops much less the CRJ, but it sounds like this infraction was pretty severe at worst, unprofessional at best. It isn't a manner of narcing (sp?), it is a matter of principle. If some guy gives me a plane that he/she flew four legs on with such gross errors, that is a safety concern and I am now obliged to bring it up. I don't want to ruin the person's career (assuming they aren't an habitual idiot or jerk), so my line of attack is contact the guy first, express my dislike of his/her practices and how the safety oversight can affect ME or any other crew, tell him/her I will follow up on my own in some given amount of time, and hope he/she does the right thing and admits the failure. But I will have an eye out for that matter coming up in the ASAP reports, if it doesn't come up on its own by another means (crew gets caught).

Regardless, that crew is going to get caught somehow, it always happens. This isn't a matter of calling the guy on his cell to come back to the plane because he forgot to sign a logpage. This matter sounds far worse than that.

No, wrong approach. If you lectured me like that I'd ask you who you think you are then meet you in the parking lot. You'll follow up? Who the F do you think you are?!!!

Your best bet is to simply describe the problem to the captain, as you witnessed it. Then if the problem recurs, you go to Pro Stans.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Oh yes, and WHEN they get caught (if they do nothing), I would get in trouble as well, since I would be the crew who witnessed the negligence but did nothing about it. That is known as guilt by association.

You'll get in trouble? How?

Cite the reg that punishes you for not narking your buddy out (other than drugs/alcohol).

Don't be a tool. "Guilty by association"? You watch too many crime shows, Danno.

 

[regionaltard]

Agreed. Go to Pro Stands. Going to management isn't even an option.

It would be a real shame if FOs started writing up these elderly Captains for every little mistake they make. A real shame....

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