Is Pinnacle really switching to LIDO?!

[Flyer1015]

1. Um, why?

2. When is this effective?

3. Will LIDO only be carried in airplanes, meaning crews no longer have to carry their Jepp charts?

4. Does the company plan on giving on training + pay for pilots having to learn LIDO?

 

[Lazy8]

1. Um, why?

2. When is this effective?

3. Will LIDO only be carried in airplanes, meaning crews no longer have to carry their Jepp charts?

4. Does the company plan on giving on training + pay for pilots having to learn LIDO?

1. They're saving about $15,000/month by switching from Jepp to Lido and apparently Lido is better for the electronic flight kit. (which we may be getting later down the road)

2. November - Captains will have LIDO / FO's have Jepp

3. Jan 2008 - Both captain and FO will have LIDO (bye bye Jepps for good)

4. Yes, there is a training course and short test on the employee website and we get some cash for doing it.

By the way, I thought you worked for Pinnacle?

 

[Flyer1015]

I do, but I'm green (relatively new).

 

[Lazy8]

I do, but I'm green (relatively new).

Aren't we all!

 

[Flyer1015]

True,



<-------- PT the Clown is the most green. See his hair?

 

[redflyer65]

Just talked to a UPS POI. He rolled his eye when I started talking about Lido. He said good luck.

 

[landlover]

jetblue used LIDO for something like 6 months then swicthed back to jepps.

 

[flyf15]

Ya'll are gonna get good at filling out ASAP reports...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

At the risk of sounding dumb, what is LIDO??

 

[Flyer1015]

At the risk of sounding dumb, what is LIDO??

It's ok, I didn't know what it was either.

LIDO is Lufthansa System's flight planning and dispatch system.

http://www.lhsystems.com/topic3/topic33/index.htm

So basically, airport plates, approach plates, enroute charts, etc will be replaced to LIDO (bye bye Jeppessen).

 

[PCL_128]

1. Um, why?

Because it's Pinnacle. It doesn't have to make sense as long as they can trip over a dollar to save a penny.

LIDO is a mess, and the Pinnacle checkairmen I've talked to are expecting a dramatic rise in pilot deviations as a result of this change. The training is completely deficient, in normal Pinnacle tradition, and the charts are just poorly formated and confusing. The checkairmen are expecting missed crossing restrictions, wrong turns, etc... Should be interesting.

 

[405]

Doesn't FrdEx use LIDO charts?

 

[405]

Because it's Pinnacle. It doesn't have to make sense as long as they can trip over a dollar to save a penny.

LIDO is a mess, and the Pinnacle checkairmen I've talked to are expecting a dramatic rise in pilot deviations as a result of this change. The training is completely deficient, in normal Pinnacle tradition, and the charts are just poorly formated and confusing. The checkairmen are expecting missed crossing restrictions, wrong turns, etc... Should be interesting.

Your pissing and moaning about Pinnacle gets old, PCL, especially since you don't work here anymore.

Let us go and worry about your job at Citrus.

Good luck to you, sir.

 

[J32driver]

Good luck boys and girls. LIDO sucks. There are lots of pretty colors and stuff... but good luck trying to find all those crossing restrictions. Its a friggin Easter Egg hunt every time you do an arrival.

Oh... and you thought you hated doing JEP revisions? I was happy to do my Jepps after working with LIDO. The LIDO process is just plain a pain in the backside.

Good luck and make sure to get a fresh stack of ASAP reports!

 

[Metro752]

1. They're saving about $15,000/month by switching from Jepp to Lido and apparently Lido is better for the electronic flight kit. (which we may be getting later down the road)

2. November - Captains will have LIDO / FO's have Jepp

3. Jan 2008 - Both captain and FO will have LIDO (bye bye Jepps for good)

4. Yes, there is a training course and short test on the employee website and we get some cash for doing it.

By the way, I thought you worked for Pinnacle?

How much cash, what kind of training, how many hours is the training?

 

[dispatchguy]

Didnt I hear a while back, that at least for the LIDO flight planning system, it took UPS something like 2 or so years to finally integrate it into their system?

UAL also looked at LIDO when they were evaluating changing over from their antiquated dispatch system (Unimatic) - and they decided against it, and went with another system.

Yeah, Good Luck PCL!

 

[pilotdiscretion]

Pinnacle needed a new dispatch software system for the Delta Connection operation. When they were shopping for the software LIDO sweetened the deal by offering to throw in paper charts for free, the idea being that eventually Pinnacle would move to EFB. I seriously doubt Pinnacle will move to EFB until LIDO makes the paper charts more expensive then EFB.

 

[redflyer65]

When people talk about EFB at Pinnacle just because we are getting Lido, it makes me laugh.

It doesn't take very long to realize that management ONLY cares about the bottom line.

Now I ask you, do you really think they will every buy EFB?

Like PD says...only when the paper cost more. How many years will that be?

 

[TurboAWD]

Your pissing and moaning about Pinnacle gets old, PCL, especially since you don't work here anymore.

Not to me it doesn't. PCL128 knows more about whats wrong with 9E than most pilots that work there ever will.

Pinnacle is a crap company, and people considering coming here deserve to know what they are getting into.

Turbo

 

[arthompson]

I find all the complaining about LIDO interesting. All the FedEx guys I've talked to love it. Also when LH came in to do the initial training, the only person I talked to that didn't like the charts isn't a check airman and he's now leaving the company (may already be gone)

 

[PCL_128]

Your pissing and moaning about Pinnacle gets old, PCL, especially since you don't work here anymore.

My "pissing and moaning" about Pinnacle will continue until that rotten piece of sh&^ Phildo and all of his minions are long gone and the Pinnacle pilots receive the contract that they deserve. Until then, I consider it my mission in life to convince pilots not to work there.

 

[DoinTime]

I find all the complaining about LIDO interesting. All the FedEx guys I've talked to love it. Also when LH came in to do the initial training, the only person I talked to that didn't like the charts isn't a check airman and he's now leaving the company (may already be gone)

The problem with LIDO charts is that they are very different from Jeppessen and require a significant amount of time and effort to reach the comfort level that we once had with Jepp. If you can't glance at your approach plate and extract tons information in an instant you are screwed when the sh*t is hitting the fan.

This significant time investment required by pilots is rewarded by a 48 minute flight pay credit from the company. All because they are cheap.

 

[Smarta$$]

Your pissing and moaning about Pinnacle gets old, PCL, especially since you don't work here anymore.

Let us go and worry about your job at Citrus.

Good luck to you, sir.

I disagree. He obvioulsy has his finger on the pulse of this company better than you. His comments are welcome by me.

 

[redflyer65]

So your saying the Lido staff came in to train the Fedex pilot group?

That's funny stuff.

Number one, I think they received the WHOLE Electronic version. PCL will never.

Number two, the Pinnacle training is at home on the computer. Do your own homework for 2+ hours and get paid for .8 hours.

See any differences?

Just like PBS. Do you think Pinnacle management ever held one class or delivered one manual on PBS?

You obviously don't know how they work down on Noncaring.

 

[arthompson]

New hires get a PBS manual handed to them with the rest of their books.

 

[Flyer1015]

You obviously don't know how they work down on Noncaring.

Management: Non-connah give a crap!

 

[405]

I disagree. He obvioulsy has his finger on the pulse of this company better than you. His comments are welcome by me.

Not to me it doesn't. PCL128 knows more about whats wrong with 9E than most pilots that work there ever will.

Pinnacle is a crap company, and people considering coming here deserve to know what they are getting into.

Turbo

Regarding my comment on PCL: Obviously you both think I'm wrong and don't have my finger "on the pulse" of the company. I'm not a pilot so enlighten me. We have no interaction with any of you other than the daily normal dispatch-pilot phone calls. PM me if you want to.

We're sitting there waiting on a decent contract too. No dispatcher has had a raise since August 2005. My last raise was in November of 2004. Did any of you know that? We're kind of in the same boat...

 

[TurboAWD]

I absolutely did know that you guys are still waiting on a contract. Was glad to hear it when you voted for representation.

The DX attrition would seem to indicate most Dispatchers realize this place is a dead end as well.

Good luck.

Turbo

 

[Smarta$$]

Regarding my comment on PCL: Obviously you both think I'm wrong and don't have my finger "on the pulse" of the company. I'm not a pilot so enlighten me. We have no interaction with any of you other than the daily normal dispatch-pilot phone calls. PM me if you want to.

We're sitting there waiting on a decent contract too. No dispatcher has had a raise since August 2005. My last raise was in November of 2004. Did any of you know that? We're kind of in the same boat...

This company has more unhappy employees on this board than almost any other airline. There ARE reasons for this and our complaints ARE very valid.

Until things at Pinnacle change for the better, you better get used to people venting.

 

[405]

This company has more unhappy employees on this board than almost any other airline. There ARE reasons for this and our complaints ARE very valid.

Until things at Pinnacle change for the better, you better get used to people venting.

I know about the venting. We all vent but just don't take it out on us. I know what it's like here. I've been around for a long time.