Is Pinnacle really switching to LIDO?!

[PCL_128]

Your pissing and moaning about Pinnacle gets old, PCL, especially since you don't work here anymore.

My "pissing and moaning" about Pinnacle will continue until that rotten piece of sh&^ Phildo and all of his minions are long gone and the Pinnacle pilots receive the contract that they deserve. Until then, I consider it my mission in life to convince pilots not to work there.

 

[DoinTime]

I find all the complaining about LIDO interesting. All the FedEx guys I've talked to love it. Also when LH came in to do the initial training, the only person I talked to that didn't like the charts isn't a check airman and he's now leaving the company (may already be gone)

The problem with LIDO charts is that they are very different from Jeppessen and require a significant amount of time and effort to reach the comfort level that we once had with Jepp. If you can't glance at your approach plate and extract tons information in an instant you are screwed when the sh*t is hitting the fan.

This significant time investment required by pilots is rewarded by a 48 minute flight pay credit from the company. All because they are cheap.

 

[Smarta$$]

Your pissing and moaning about Pinnacle gets old, PCL, especially since you don't work here anymore.

Let us go and worry about your job at Citrus.

Good luck to you, sir.

I disagree. He obvioulsy has his finger on the pulse of this company better than you. His comments are welcome by me.

 

[redflyer65]

So your saying the Lido staff came in to train the Fedex pilot group?

That's funny stuff.

Number one, I think they received the WHOLE Electronic version. PCL will never.

Number two, the Pinnacle training is at home on the computer. Do your own homework for 2+ hours and get paid for .8 hours.

See any differences?

Just like PBS. Do you think Pinnacle management ever held one class or delivered one manual on PBS?

You obviously don't know how they work down on Noncaring.

 

[arthompson]

New hires get a PBS manual handed to them with the rest of their books.

 

[Flyer1015]

You obviously don't know how they work down on Noncaring.

Management: Non-connah give a crap!

 

[405]

I disagree. He obvioulsy has his finger on the pulse of this company better than you. His comments are welcome by me.

Not to me it doesn't. PCL128 knows more about whats wrong with 9E than most pilots that work there ever will.

Pinnacle is a crap company, and people considering coming here deserve to know what they are getting into.

Turbo

Regarding my comment on PCL: Obviously you both think I'm wrong and don't have my finger "on the pulse" of the company. I'm not a pilot so enlighten me. We have no interaction with any of you other than the daily normal dispatch-pilot phone calls. PM me if you want to.

We're sitting there waiting on a decent contract too. No dispatcher has had a raise since August 2005. My last raise was in November of 2004. Did any of you know that? We're kind of in the same boat...

 

[TurboAWD]

I absolutely did know that you guys are still waiting on a contract. Was glad to hear it when you voted for representation.

The DX attrition would seem to indicate most Dispatchers realize this place is a dead end as well.

Good luck.

Turbo

 

[Smarta$$]

Regarding my comment on PCL: Obviously you both think I'm wrong and don't have my finger "on the pulse" of the company. I'm not a pilot so enlighten me. We have no interaction with any of you other than the daily normal dispatch-pilot phone calls. PM me if you want to.

We're sitting there waiting on a decent contract too. No dispatcher has had a raise since August 2005. My last raise was in November of 2004. Did any of you know that? We're kind of in the same boat...

This company has more unhappy employees on this board than almost any other airline. There ARE reasons for this and our complaints ARE very valid.

Until things at Pinnacle change for the better, you better get used to people venting.

 

[405]

This company has more unhappy employees on this board than almost any other airline. There ARE reasons for this and our complaints ARE very valid.

Until things at Pinnacle change for the better, you better get used to people venting.

I know about the venting. We all vent but just don't take it out on us. I know what it's like here. I've been around for a long time.

 

[Flyer1015]

Unhappy employees?!

How can that be at "Simply the Best!" ??????

:smash:

 

[DGdaPilot]

Eagle uses LIDO to upate the FMS in our CRJ-700s. Schoolhouse has found quite a few more errors than they used to. Oh well. We just double check the routing against the trusty paper Jepps.

 

[Tram]

Lufthansa guys hate Lido.. It surrreeee is perrrty though..

 

[GuppyPuppy]

I've used both and can undoubtedly say that Jepps are easier to read and understand.

I once was given a holding clearance (hold as published) less than five miles from the fix while on a STAR. Couldn't find the hold on the LIDO chart. Asked ATC for the inbound radial. He responded, "It's on the chart". Luckily, I had kept some of the heavier used Jepp charts for my home airport and pulled out the arrival chart, quickly found the correct hold and typed away. By the way...the hold was actually on the LIDO chart, but in an obscure corner in a bubble window not even near the fix on the chart.

I also don't fully understand why in the world LIDO arrival charts show colored contours of terrain when the lowest altitude on the arrival (LENDY arrival to JFK, for example) is some 18,000' above any terrain in the area. The useless colored contours just get in the way and camoflauge (spelling?) important information.

I, for one, am very happy we switched back to Jeppesen. It was becoming a safety issue.

GP