Is Pinnacle a decent airline to work for?

airludy

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I have a interview with Pinnacle and would like to hear some stuff from current employees there....Is this a good place to work for? Pros and cons? I would like to commute from cleveland also.. Any info would be great. Thanks
 

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deascent

I would say Pinnacle is just deascent. Not great, not poor, but deascent. Apparently they're paying their new hires in training now. Only 200per week, but it's better than nothing which is what I got and some "lifer's" here had to pay 10k for their training so I can't complain there. The training program isn't all that great, however the FEDS got their nose in things now so I'm sure it's on it's way for improvement. 1st year F.O. pay stinks. $20.73 an hour just isn't hardly enough to cut it unless you're still sucking on moma's nipple or married with a kind and understanding spouse, or like me, divorced with a hot sugar mama!
Our contract is under renegotiations right now and I truly hope for more money and a better quality of life and by that I mean a life where Crew Scheduling and Crew Planning don't run your life. Don't know about you and other's but I have more important things in my life than Airplanes and my job. Lot's of "Junior Manning" going on right now, which means those days off you planned on heading out of town for whatever reason isn't happening, or it means you won't be able to commute home for 6 or 7 days at a time, which is enough to make your hair grey after awhile. Pinnacle is very short pilots right now so somebody has to pick up the slack. Another problem is that they don't want to hire enough guys to keep on staff so other's don't get screwed over because paying a 75hr. guarantee to pilots that are "extra" or Reserve in other words is not the company's idea of spending money wisely. There's also something called Reduced Rest which is supposed to be used for Maint. issues, Wx delays, etc,etc. It's not designed to be scheduled like we do it here. This is supposed to be coming to a stop from what I hear.
This airline grew too quickly so they still treat it like it's a good ol' boys flying club in Memphis, however they are making progress to change it and it's coming along. I think in the near future it will be one of the best, if not the best regional to work for because they are really working on alot of things here and still working on company growth as well. Rumor is Pinnacle is or already has another 121 certificate approved for 6 EMB 170 or 190's and it can't be taken any furthur until the current contract is settled so hopefully we'll see it sooner than later.
Cleveland is an easy commute to DTW. I know a couple people that do it and it's easy. Driveable if you really need to. Goodluck......... Like I said, it's a deascent place, but one thing you have to keep in mind is that it's great flying time. All Glass Turbojet?? Can't go wrong really.......
 

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I hear pinnacle is even paying for hotel now during training, which is great news. I hear the MX is above average here. The company makes a lot of money so its about as stable as they get. and as Mtnjam mentioned we are in contract negotiations. I am pretty optimistic about it, but who knows how it will come out. But honestly I think if its not exactly what we want or close to it, people will walk. They have had to put up with a lot of crap here. mainly scheduling issues, junior manning, and getting extended.

Mtnjam said:
I think in the near future it will be one of the best, if not the best regional to work for because they are really working on alot of things here and still working on company growth as well. .

While I like to think that we will be the best, its a bit of a reach to say that considering we are so far away from being the top regional right now.
We have a new VP of Flight ops and I have very high expectations of him. He seems to be doing a lot of good things for the company.

I havent been here long, but I do like it. The capt's that i have been flying with are great and so are the F/A.

But dont come here looking for a quick upgrade, because thats come to a screeching halt. good luck on the interview.
 

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. I think in the near future it will be one of the best, if not the best regional to work for because they are really working on alot of things here and still working on company growth as well. Rumor is Pinnacle is or already has another 121 certificate approved for 6 EMB 170 or 190's and it can't be taken any furthur until the current contract is settled so hopefully we'll see it sooner than later.
Cleveland is an easy commute to DTW. I know a couple people that do it and it's easy. Driveable if you really need to. Goodluck......... Like I said, it's a deascent place, but one thing you have to keep in mind is that it's great flying time. All Glass Turbojet?? Can't go wrong really.......[/QUOTE]


I always knew phil was on these boards now i know who it is. Come on guys don't drink this kool aid. Let's be realistic about things. Oh yeah and by the way the union does not give a rat's a$$ about about FO pay or the reserve system. all they care about is another 1 percent on the 401k because they are stuck at pinnacle for life. and this stuff about 9e being swa's first regional is ridiculous. If they ever do decide to fly emb 170/190s they will more than likely do it in house based on their business model

Oh and by the way if anybody around MEM wants a job making 35k base salary wokring 10-20 duty hours a week only 4 nights a week with weekend and holidays off pm me. This is no joke. It is the easiest flying job there is and it is turbine pic
 

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airludy said:
I have a interview with Pinnacle and would like to hear some stuff from current employees there....Is this a good place to work for? Pros and cons? I would like to commute from cleveland also.. Any info would be great. Thanks

If you living in cleveland then why not try ExpressJet?
 

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Can anyone comment as to how many days off an average lineholder has, how commutable the schedules are, and if it is easy to trip trade? Also, when will the contract issues be resolved?
 

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Trip trading is based off staffing. Contract is progressing well, bith sides have said that it may be done by the new year.
 

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Days off is average close to 14 days off this month. DTW is a bit above 14, and MEM and MSP is about mid 13. With that said, you will probably get about 11-12 after 5-6 mo. of seniority. Trip trade depends staffing, or more accurately, if someone in crew scheduling can get off their lazy butts and approve your request.

Anyway, welcome to 9E. I hope you'll like it here. It ain't paradise, and it ain't hell, but it sure it's our little corner. If you can't get your dream job right now, might as well enjoy the time spent smelling the rose, right?
 
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The company makes a lot of money so its about as stable as they get. and as Mtnjam mentioned we are in contract negotiations.

are you high? with growth coming to an end and negotiations not going anywhere, 9e is going to suck balls to be at for the next few years. if by stable you mean continuing to be a crappy place to work with tensions getting higher by the day and growth going nowhere, then it is stable.

i'm sure the 9e sim instructors keep quitting because it is such an awesome place to be. sounds "stable" to me.

Mtmjam said:
Rumor is Pinnacle is or already has another 121 certificate approved for 6 EMB 170 or 190's and it can't be taken any furthur until the current contract is settled so hopefully we'll see it sooner than later

right. and just who is 9e going to fly them for? and if it "can't be taken until the contract is settled" then i guess they won't be flying for at least two years.

you guys need to get real. the long time 9e guys know how it is. start smelling reality, fellas.
 

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flagshipper said:
Oh yeah and by the way the union does not give a rat's a$$ about about FO pay or the reserve system. all they care about is another 1 percent on the 401k because they are stuck at pinnacle for life

This kind of crap is just ridiculous. The union's contract goals are directly taken from the Wilson Polling data that has been collected for the past few years from the line pilots. I can assure you that FO pay and the draconian reserve system are 2 of our top priorities. You haven't seen the contract goals and you haven't been present at the MEC meetings, so how can you say that we don't care about these things? I know it's popular to bash the union at PCL, but the reality is far different from what the average line pilot thinks. I know you don't work here anymore, but if any of your friends still do and believe the same things you said, then please have them PM me.
 
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jackbo

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I know it's popular to bash the union at PCL

wow, that is really sad. after all, it is your union so if the pilots think the union sucks they only have themselves to blame. that is especially sad because it comes at a time when you 9e boys need to unite.

it sounds cheesy, however, your unity is your strength during the days ahead.

pcl_128, i'm happy at least you know how it is. too bad more of your boys don't think like you do. good luck, man.
 

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Good Faith

I can only hope that the union and company resolve these issue's soon. I hope to be making enough money to at least afford my rent and other bills I have piled up. We are considered to be "professional" and I hope they start treating us like professionals and paying us like professionals, but I have faith that it will happen.
Everyone needs to realize that a Regional Airline is not the place to hang your hat for retirement. It doesn't matter which one you work for. I know several people at several different one's and they all have their issue's. I was in the Hotel Van with a Mesa Crew last night. Bless their poor soul's. Make's you realize 9E isn't too bad after all, even with the old contract. I enjoy my job here at Pinnacle, I just hope that it get's better and I'm sure it will......... Apply everyone!!!! Good luck in the interview, I hear it's a 2 day process now.......
 

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jackbo said:
are you high? with growth coming to an end and negotiations not going anywhere, 9e is going to suck balls to be at for the next few years. if by stable you mean continuing to be a crappy place to work with tensions getting higher by the day and growth going nowhere, then it is stable.

i'm sure the 9e sim instructors keep quitting because it is such an awesome place to be. sounds "stable" to me.

when i said stable,I meant financially. read the context. The company is making money so its as stable as you can get. As opposed to AWAC, SKyway, and I am sure there are others.
 

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blackbox said:
when i said stable,I meant financially. read the context. The company is making money so its as stable as you can get. As opposed to AWAC, SKyway, and I am sure there are others.

Can you name a regional that's not making money? I have heard many negative things about Pinnacle. A close friend of mine has been an FO there for a year and a half and can only get lines with 11-12 days off per month and is making $24/hr. Several furloughed Independence guys also went to Pinnacle and quit during the middle of training because the training department was so poor.
 

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RP170 said:
Can you name a regional that's not making money? I have heard many negative things about Pinnacle. A close friend of mine has been an FO there for a year and a half and can only get lines with 11-12 days off per month and is making $24/hr. Several furloughed Independence guys also went to Pinnacle and quit during the middle of training because the training department was so poor.

Man that sucks!
 

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Is getting only 11-12 days of per month in your second year really that bad? I am new to this airline thing so I really dont know. But i know at some airlines in year 2 you are still sitting reserve. the 24 dollars an hour is pathetic and hope the new contract is a lot better. It cant possibly get worse can it?

and about the Indy guys. I definitly think the training department could be a lot better. But i am pretty sure they left not because of poor training, but more because the came looking to get into the left seat right away. and when they found out they would be F/O's they left.
 
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blackbox said:
Is getting only 11-12 days of per month in your second year really that bad? I am new to this airline thing so I really dont know. But i know at some airlines in year 2 you are still sitting reserve. the 24 dollars an hour is pathetic and hope the new contract is a lot better. It cant possibly get worse can it?

and about the Indy guys. I definitly think the training department could be a lot better. But i am pretty sure they left not because of poor training, but more because the came looking to get into the left seat right out of training. and when they found out they wuold be F/O's they left.

Bad compared to what we are used to at CHQ. Average of 16 days off per month right out of training. Guys are getting up to 18 day off per month lines right out of IOE. Reserve is basically non-existant.
 

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The Indy Air guys left not because of an issue with out training department but because they didn't get CA right out of the box. 10 days off may not be the norm at CHQ, but it is at alot of airlines. The schedules at 9E also vary depending on the base. MSP/DTW guys have more flying available to them than MEM crews because of how NWA has the hub structures set up.
 

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RP170 said:
Bad compared to what we are used to at CHQ. Average of 16 days off per month right out of training. Guys are getting up to 18 day off per month lines right out of IOE. Reserve is basically non-existant.

damn, where do i sign up!
 
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