Is NetJets a career place?

[Hawker dude]

I think that it's too soon to say how the Domicile System will turn out. Are they going to be able to attract the experienced pilots that they want? We're already hearing pilots say that it's a show stopper for them. Will they get enough pilots to live in expensive cities for low wages? That's problematic. Will it give them the crew pairing and cost savings they're counting on? That's unknown. Will the pros outweigh the cons? That remains to be seen.

In the meantime, if pilots out there are deciding not to apply because of that restrictive policy, it certainly couldn't hurt to tell NJA that was the deciding factor. My sympathies to all those affected families. I'm sorry that you're having to bear the brunt of what could turn out to be a bad business decision. It certainly wasn't something the pilots wanted.

Just got an email back from NJA HR saying my friend is hardly competitive with 5000 hours and 2 type ratings. New hire starting dates are out to May. So far they don't seem to have a problem with either one yet. Unless they're giving me BS.

 

[AA717driver]

I think part of the problem is people wanting to go to NJA (or any other year one position at another company) and expecting everything to be sweetness and light.

It's not. Things at any aviation job with a seniority list won't be "great" for a few years. They probably won't even be good. Too many people are expecting the same QOL as the top 10% of the list when they are in the bottom 10%. Everyone wants to come out of Riddle or Purdue or wherever and step into the left seat of a 747 or GV.

NJA's 7/7 schedule is awsome for a newhire. I've worked 18-20 days of reserve in JFK as a newhire. I've worked 3/3 international. (You don't even get turned around before you have to head back.) And, I've done 5 on/2 off on domestic. All while commuting.

I've worked the panel which sucks regardless of pay. All of this happened before the airlines went into the toilet. It wasn't fun. In fact, it didn't really get fun until I upgraded--11 years after I got hired. Pace yourselves.

From the outside, considering what I've experienced, NJA seems like a decent place to spend your career. Anyplace can suck when the music stops and the upgrades slow. That WILL happen to the darlings of today and you'll be stuck making crappy FO pay with no upgrade in sight. It's a roll of the dice.

At least at NJA you won't be stuck sitting in a crashpad in Queens 20 days a month.TC

 

[gunfyter]

Its gotta be a career place now. I just been informed I did not get the job at VLO.

 

[FLYLOW22]

A fair amount of Netjets pilots will have to commute in the future and that commute will be more painful and unbearable for them then it will be for an individual with jumpseat privileges. The ones above who are spouting off about not having to commute should just realize that those who come after them will not enjoy the same luxuries that they do.

Not "spouting" anything. Accepting employment at NJA is a choice. The company was adamant about the domicile issue in negotiations. They wanted their poison pill to use in the next round as negotiation fodder. They got it.

Do I like it? No.

Do I think it will hurt the companies chances of attracting the best talent out there. Oh yes.

Do I want to hear about complaints from newhires becasue they now "MUST" commute because they VOLUNTARILY accepted a job here knowing full well what the rules now are? Nope.

Will I seek to get that language eliminated in the next round? Maybe. It all depends on how bad the company hurts itself trying to bait the fishing pole with this particular worm. I think the value to the company in keeping this tidbit is completely SOFT value (negative pilot emotions and employee control) goods instead of HARD value (cash) goods.

I think the company will try to use the HBA/DOM issue as a bargaining chip in the the future and no matter which side winds this particular issue it is clear that one side will definetely lose.\

Accept employment here at your own risk. Sorry about the Domicile issue guys bu the company wouldn't budge. Pilots NOT taking jobs here will speak more volumes than attacking the pilots who work here now.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Flylow22 - Hear, hear! Well put.

 

[gunfyter]

I don't know this H25B fella but the only unbearable blow that I've ever taken is when the most accomplished team in sports history lost a 3-0 lead in the A.L.C.S. to those thugs in Boston.

I know it really killed me too. Took mucho crap from Red Sux fans. I hear SAT might be getting a baseball team... will partner with the SPURS (Winningest franchise in professional sports over last 8 yrs.).

 

[FL450]

Is NetJets a career place?

Looking at aviation as a whole and weighing the alternative choices available, yes, it is. Or, at least, it's one of the best resting places around until you find a better one.

 

[gunfyter]

The question is: Is Aviation a career anymore?

 

[FL450]

The question is: Is Aviation a career anymore?

OUCH!

(but a valid question)

 

[NJACMH]

The question is: Is Aviation a career anymore?

For pilots at NJA, it's just a job.

I have yet to see or meet a Professional Pilot !

 

[DO-82 driver]

Spoken like a true....(you can fill in the blank)!!!!!

 

[hydrarkt]

Career= Stock options(see Jblu). discounted stock purchase program(swa), retirement not just 401K(see FedEx/UPS) and ability to make over 200K(The benchmark for what 100K was 10 years ago). And yes this is broad based throughout the aviation industry ,there are very few career positions in aviation anymore most are just jobs.

Yeah, stock options are great!! Especially at places like UAL!! oops.. UAL stock is WORTHLESS now.

"Retirement." You mean pension?? Like the majors?? Hmm, let's talk to the pilots from UAL or DAL or NWA or USair and see how secure they are in their pensions. If you've been paying attention at all you'd know that pensions are NOT the way to go. As a matter of fact, NJA has the best 401k package I've seen at ANY company. NJA matches 50% of the first 15% of a pilot's pay. There is also a small retirment stipend depending on service years upon retirement. Could there be more? Yes. But I'll take definate money instead of promised money any day.

Ability to make over $200K?? At NJA, a 10 year pilot in the BBJ program makes a BASE pay of $229,850. With per diem, OT, extended days etc, we're around $250K. Granted that there won't be many in that position but you said "ability to make."

Discounted stock purchase program?? Are you serious?? This is one of your criteria for a "career??" Hell, Home Depot cashiers can buy stock at a discount. Do you consider that a "career?"

I think that you should reevaluate your position. You're living in the past.

 

[Seat 0A]

For pilots at NJA, it's just a job.

I have yet to see or meet a Professional Pilot !

This is about all the proof anyone needs that this person doesn't know his/her ass from a hole in the ground.

I have flown with more pilots than you have "met". Many are respected, life-long former airline pilots that have forgotten more about aviation than you will ever know. They have commented many many times that the pilots here at NJA are some of the best and most professional that they have worked with.

Would you like to take a guess at how they think some of the folks upstairs at CMH compare with those at the majors?

You're opinions now have zero merit or credibility. Not that they ever did.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

[gunfyter]

For pilots at NJA, it's just a job.

I have yet to see or meet a Professional Pilot !

Yeah thats right. I am getting a little carried away with a 25 year hobby....

True, You will never be able to do what I can do... and what I have done. But your job is important too. No need to be envious.

 

[Diesel]

People shouldn't think that NJACMH is a representation of the people upstairs at CMH. For all we know it's another pilot just stirring the pot. Just like any pilot group 99 percent of the people are good people doing a great job. Any group has the 1 percent that you just want to push off a cliff.

I still think NJACMH is just a flame starter. Too bad because they give the people upstairs a bad name and instigates bad feelings.