Is NetJet buying FlOpt?????

[flyingdog]

At FTY Raytheon FBO few pilots from NetJet were talking about their company buying Flight Options. Any thruth out of this?

 

[sailor]

Apparently the big "R" asked Mr. Big at nja, alias Mr. S. if he was interested.
Being the sharpest tack in the box, Mr. S informed "R' that he would relieve
them from their responsibilties to the owners that had made the wrong dicisioin the first place.
Mr. "S" does not want any thing to do with the old airplanes or any other baggage that comes with flops. You apparently can have that attitude when you lead instead of follow.
Best of luck to my brethern at flops, I have surely been on the bankrupct side of aviation intrests before. It is only a matter of time for flops.
NJA and loving every minute of it.

P.S. the new contract will lead whatever is left of the frac industry


FLAME AWAY ----- I HAVE A JOB

 

[Gulfstream 200]

"the new contract"

Hey, did you ever go the grocery store and try and pay for food with "the new contract"??? How'd that work???

You have a job??

Great.....so do most of us.....and we even make industry pay! (or somewhere close)..

How bout' you???

oh yeah, I know...."the contract"

Jackass.......

 

[FracPilot]

Sure thing there, slick

At FTY Raytheon FBO few pilots from NetJet were talking about their company buying Flight Options. Any thruth out of this?

It's true. After this happens, the new company will be called Net Options. All aircraft will be immediately destroyed, and the new company will be the first 'virtual fractional'. All pilots will be issued a brand new(or pre owned, based on their original company) Thrustmaster Pro joystick and their very own copy of Flight Simulator Fractional so that they can pilot their "aircraft" from home. Some of the pilots will have protection from their wives during duty hours, others will not. Those that have protection from the wives for said duty hours will pay dues to the Virtual Brotherhood of Gamesters(VBG). Pilots will be allowed to live wherever they want, but will be responsible for transportation to and from their domicile(their computer) at their cost, on their time. To apply for this new company, send your resume to [email protected]. We do not care about your flight time, just tell us the specs for your PC.

As for "sailor"....do you really think somebody that is so illiterate could correctly complete an application for any company, or program an FMS and end up where they wanted to go?

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

I've just gotta bite.....

Flying dog, you are a jagoff for even making up this bu!!$hit. And an even bigger one for posting it.

And Sailor, you best get back to your boat, and that little fantasy world you live in.

I'll start by talking to you in code. Mr. R didn't ask Mr. S anything. Sounds to me like they can't stand one another. Mr. R would do nothing of the sort. Mr. R, Mr. S, it never took place. And what's up with all of these initials? You don't think everyone on this board doesn't know who these two people are?

Okay, now let's talk about your monster, kick @ss and take names later contract. How long have you been in negotiation? And how long will it take to get this thing finished? I've heard (since we are talking rumors anyway) from your pilots you've probably got another year and a half before you get this deal done. Seems the Teamsters are a very efficient union. By then, the numbers will be obsolete anyway, as two other fracs (Mr. O and Mr. CS) will still be higher paid anyway. I hear you will be able to airline from home, make 90k a year as an Ultra captain, and work some sweet 5 or 6 on, 7 off deal if you are senior enough. It's negotiation for a reason, if they give, you have to give up something. Right now, you guys have nothing to give. If they pay you like that and airline you from home, you will be their bi(ches for 21 days out of the month. It's going to be a tough row to hoe if you guys think you'll just take, take, take and don't have to give anything up. I hope like he!! you guys get six figures a year to fly that Ultra, you'll just raise the bar for the rest of us "second tier" fractional pilots.

Most of the Mr. NJA pilots I run into on the road are great people and are very pleasant to have a conversation with. I'm quite sure I haven't run into you yet, you'd be the one guy who makes the rest look bad.

 

[jpilot]

Just a rumor?

Why are you bashing the messenger, Flying Dog? We have all heard similiar stories that come January 1, Raytheon will be taking back THEIR side of the business. We "hear" Raytheon is already milling around FO to help with the transition and investment. Will be interesting to see what finally transpires. We will all have to wait and see. And, to those CW folks, who told me, ex-RTA, that I should just be happy to have a job, well now the shoe is on the other foot. You know what they say, what comes around, goes around.

 

[ArmyPilot]

Jpilot you say....

"what comes around goes around".......


I do not deny the fact that Flight Ops and RTA may be changing "investment structure" in the near future, but what I am really excited about is the fact that what comes around goes around means I am getting a raise, maybe another type and most of all a much better looking tie!

 

[BigFlyr]

"the new contract"

Hey, did you ever go the grocery store and try and pay for food with "the new contract"??? How'd that work?

Well said G'200!

I'm getting tired of those weenies bragging about a contract that doesn't exist. Let's everyone just wait and see... I have several friends flying there and not everyone is "Loving every minute of it".

Happy holidays!

 

[Toploader]

Hey, I don't know "sailor", but his post makes him sound like a jacka$$.

There are those types at every outfit.

Please do not judge all NJA pilots by the loudmouth whinebags. I can count on one hand how many terds I've met at NJA in almost 3 years.

No, I'm not counting myself!

Toploader

 

[flyingdog]

It was not my intention to offend anybody. Please accept my appologies for opening such an issue. It just happend for us to wait in the lobby for our passengers and we couldn't stopped overhearing two loud NJA crews. They were talking how great of a company they are and how everybody desires to join them( at this moment my FO mentioned that with their salaries all they can afford is to have big mouths - I appologize for him also). To a point they started saying not nice staff about other fractionals and how their company is getting ready to buy FlOpt. That was a kind of surprise so I wanted to find a little more. This is the reason for my thread. All my respects to you.

 

[Grim Reaper]

For the former RTA types, do not get too excited yet. Rumors are rumors. The truth is, none of us know what will happen at FO or NJA. All we do is push power levers forward and wait as see what happens next.

Good luck to both pilot groups.

 

[A4Forever]

To All... As a current NJA pilot, let me say that for the majority of us, we wish all our brother and sister pilots well no matter whom they fly for. As with any organization, there are a few who must "sound off" given the forum to do so. We wish all a Happy Holiday Season and a New Year that brings prosperity to each of us in our chosen endevor. Here is to blue skys and smooth sailing to each of you in 2003. Regards, Bullet

 

[FracMonster]

NetJets sales people can post whatever they want on these boards. They have done it before and they are doing it again.

 

[A4Forever]

Help me out here... Who are the NJA "sales people" who post on the web site and what is it they have "done" before that they will do again??

 

[Grim Reaper]

There is no proof that any sales person from any fractional has posted to this or any web site.

However, the fractional business has a select body of potential owners, some say limited to the top one percent of the financial strati.

Given the limited potential owner base and since all is fair in love, war, and busines it is unlikely, but not inconceivable that some would seek to spread a rumor to boost sales.

 

[x402]

I never thought it does much good for an industry to contract, it leaves fewer options for all of us in the long run. I have some good friends working for FLOPs, I hope their future is secure. I work for another Frac and hope that our future is also secure.
Nothing is permanent, I have too many buddies from Pan Am and Eastern......

Merry Christmas, everyone!

 

[learflyer]

I hope netjets doesn't buy options, netjets has too many **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** useless checkrides over there!

 

[EJA_PIC]

Netjets buying FLOPS?

Why would Netjets want to buy FLOPS? We need a place to sell our outdated planes. Even G4's and Citations X's need retirement homes!

 

[FracPilot]

I think EGOs need retirement too - maybe you should consider retiring yours and becoming a productive member of aviation.

 

[.92wshn1.92]

Why would Netjets want to buy FLOPS? We need a place to sell our outdated planes. Even G4's and Citations X's need retirement homes!

<<Body blow>>

I think EGOs need retirement too - maybe you should consider retiring yours and becoming a productive member of aviation.

<<Body blow, uppercut>>
I love this, don't stop. NJ's new message board lacks this spirited discourse, since we can no longer post annonomously anymore.

To whomever said it, you're right "the new contract" and a $1.50 won't even buy you a cup of coffee, let alone the new house you're holding out for, but a sinking ship is a sinking ship. I've been there before and know the signs. NJ is definately not sinking. None of us are getting rich and that pisses me off, but I'll wait and be glad I got in line earlier rather than later like many of you are and will.

 

[EJA_PIC]

FLOPS and Raytheon

From listening to the FLOPS weekly message from Ken Ricci it sure sounds like Raytheon is taking control. Lots of spin.


You could have re-arranged the chairs on the deck of the Titanic the result would have been the same. But listen to the message, the band is still playing!

 

[trainerjet]

I have said it before on this board...but it's worth repeating.

You fractional guys sure seem to enjoy gloating over what you perceive as another company's misfortune. As if you believe that will somehow enhance your own company's position in the industry.

 

[FracPilot]

From listening to the FLOPS weekly message from Ken Ricci it sure sounds like Raytheon is taking control. Lots of spin.
1-888-291-3828 press 3 when prompted.

What really makes me wonder is why you seem to care so much? I think trainerjet has it right.

Why exactly do you waste your time listening to the Flight Options weekly announcements when it has absolutely no effect on you? I don't waste my time checking up on your company, because I really don't care. I don't work there - though I know several that do.

This is a serious question. Why do you care so much about Flight Options?

By the way, why don't you share the phone number that you guys use to contact your dispatch/management since you seem to enjoy throwing others out there?

 

[Answerguy]

Sounds like Raytheon will be the majority share holder of Flight Options. I see nothing wrong with this. Maybe some stock options or a better retirement will come out of it? Nothing wrong with being backed by an 18 billion dollar company.

 

[Dep676]

Worried

I can see one company watching another. The employees of the companies don't need to worry about it though

Why would you post a number that has nothing to do with you? So how about that "contract" that you guys have been waiting on for? Let's post a number we can call and check on the status of that. You worry about your "contract" and I will worry about my company.

I think it's fair to post useful information about companies here also. Not to post numbers that everybody doesn't need to know. Also just to post it to gloat about hard-times of another company. Again that useful information. Hey how about that "contract"?

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

EJA_PIC,

Way to go. You've just proven to everyone on the board you are a total toolbox. You've posted that number in very poor taste.

With a backing from Raytheon, it'll give us the financing to keep up growth and expansion. We are still hiring pilots, still buying airplanes, and giving our f/o's raises (making more than your first year captains). Oh wait, your new contract will pay first year Ultra PICs six figures. Whatever you are smoking, I need to get me some of that!! Be a realist. You are a serious loser.

 

[Diesel]

You worry about your "contract" and I will worry about my company.

I'll take a contract with a company any day. A prime example why we have a union are company credit cards. FLOPS got issued them without any imput from the pilot force. Nobody knows if FLOPS goes bankrupt or fails to pay a bill does that go on the pilot's credit report. Nobody is making any more hotel points on their own credit card anymore. Had a long discussion with a FLOPS pilot who is a good friend of mine about this. He was worried about his credit implications.

Take a look at NJA with the credit card. The company has tried to issue them but the union came in and said no. They need more information like who will be liable for those cards. Who's credit history does it affect. What will happen to our airline and hotel miles. The company now has to answer all these questions to our satisfaction and even then they can't break the status quo while in negotiations.

Every time the company tries to change something on the pilot force they are held accountable. They must answer questions that the union ie the pilots force present. They can't force it on us and during negotiations they can't change the status quo.

Sure negotiations are taking a long time. I will freely admit that I am frustrated with the length of the process. Yet I am united with my fellow pilots in making sure that this next contract will be a great one not just a good one. Otherwise it doesn't get MY vote.

It's a shame what is happening to FLOPS. I think that raytheon getting involved isn't such a good idea. It might not give a true clear picture of who the leader of FLOPS is Ricci or the bean counters at Raytheon.

Sorry for the ramble.

 

[Answerguy]

Diesel: You don't have a clue, do you? First the amex cards we have are for hotel only, and we have a letter from amex that the cards will never effect our credit, good or bad. Second we never used our own cards for hotel, so no points before. Now we get points for hotels threw the amex rewards program. Its also much easyer to check into hotels. Thank you FO for making our lifes easyer!
Diesel says "Its a shame what is happing at FO." What is a shame? FO is growing, they just gave the FO's a pay raise, we have a major company backing us, with the same managament!
Things could not be better. All this and no union dues.

 

[NJA Capt]

I promised myself I wouldn't do this, but what the heck? Each side thinks the other side is clueless anyway.

Originally posted by Answerguy
we have a major company backing us...

You have a major company that wanted OUT of the frac business backing you.
Stable?

Originally posted by Answerguy
Things could not be better.

Couldn't find backing, so merged with Raytheon.
Still needing help, so Raytheon has to up their share.
(Do you think Raytheon won't divest all interest in FO at the first chance it gets? )
Stable?

Originally posted by Answerguy
All this and no union dues.

We pay $0 for insurance

You pay approx 3 times our union dues for your insurance.
(per the RTA/FO conversion site)

I wouldn't use the "we don't pay dues" argument anymore.

 

[Answerguy]

NJA cap: Can't we just all get along? I could go on for hours about who gets paid more, and who pays union dues and who does not. I really don't care that nj pilots don't pay for insurance. I do care when somone is posting stuff that they don't have a clue about, "diesel" about the company credit cards." NJ is a good company, and FO is a good company. FO is by no means going down the toilet, like many people on this board would like to see. Their has been talk of taking it public for as long as i can remember, and i beleave this will happen someday. Do you think Raytheon would let anything bad happen to FO? Just think of 90 beechjets and 50 Hawkers on the used market, that would put the ICT plant out of business. Raytheon did a bad job of managing TA, thats why they went to FO. And the companys are working great together. People have way to much money into FO to let anything happen to it, and that is job security! I think 38 aircrafts were sold last year, G4's and Citation X's are selling well, all this durring a bad economy.