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Is First Officer IOE actually SIC time?

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KingAirer said:
Not always true. Outside the airline world anyways. Just for example when someone does instrument training as a PVT pilot, they can log PIC and Dual recvd.

Not true. When you sign for the aircraft, you are PIC. If you aren't the one with your name on it, your receiving dual. What your refering to is an old flight school trick to gaine PIC, nothing more. Sitting in an interview is a bad time to realize that this is indeed how it works.
 
Steveair said:
Are check airmen required to hold current instructor ratings?
No they are not. Holding a CFI is not a FAA prerequisite to be a check-airman. Some have, others have not.
 
TinGoose1 said:
Not true. When you sign for the aircraft, you are PIC. If you aren't the one with your name on it, your receiving dual. What your refering to is an old flight school trick to gaine PIC, nothing more. Sitting in an interview is a bad time to realize that this is indeed how it works.

The FAA definition of PIC and the logging of PIC permits both pilots (CFI and student) to LOG PIC when one manipulating the controls is appropriately rated (private pilot or better) for the flight and the other is acting as a CFI. A Private pilot on an instrument training flight while VFR or on a VFR flight plan is a perfect example of this. The CFI and the student log PIC, the student also logs dual. The student signs for the airplane as well. If on an instrument flight plan this pilot can't log PIC, of course. Check FAR 61.51(e)(1)(i) and 61.51(e)(3).

It is true that some airlines and companies don't recognize logged PIC time during any flight when dual was being received (except for the CFI). This requirement some employers have is more conservative that what the FAA permits.
 

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