Is Delta getting 747's from JAL

[BILL LUMBERG]

I just heard from a Japanese Pilot that UPS bought all of the JAL 747's....

True?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

A JAL pilot?

If that is the case, great for the UPS pilots getting furloughed.

They are not the only 744's out there.

I have not heard that one yet.

I know of one cargo op that has a for sale sign on its doors too. I would expect to see UPS outbid anyone else for those jets first. Just sayin.....

JAL also has JAL cargo birds. There was talk that they were bought by someone else, but I cannot remember who. Buying a pax jet and converting it to a freighter takes time and money. Slots for these conversions are few and far between.

 

[General Lee]

I just heard from a Japanese Pilot that UPS bought all of the JAL 747's....

True?

Do you mean the JAL Cargo 744Fs? That could be the case, since a thread in the Cargo section about Connie said there is a new 744 bid because something has CHANGED with the JAL birds.

JAL also had a large amount of passengers 744s as well, and I don't know if UPS would get all of those, and the JAL Cargo 744Fs. Interesting.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree General, I do not beleive this is about the JAL pax birds.

 

[Tomct]

The L1011 fleet peaked at 56 airframes back in the mid 90s I believe.

Actually they never exceeded 47 L1011's, but again, they have never been a big buyer of large wide-bodies. Hope they change that thought process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_fleet#Delta_Fleet_in_1990

 

[GogglesPisano]

From a long-time DL employee on another website:



FAREWELL TO THE L-1011. DL employees, retirees and guests will bid farewell to 28 years of L-1011 TriStar service when the last aircraft leaves the fleet July 31. Everyone is invited for one last look at DL’s final L-1011, ship 728, from 6-10 p.m. Tue., July 31, in Bay 10 at the TOC in Atlanta. This
milestone in aviation history will be commemorated by allowing DL people to sign the aircraft exterior for a $1 donation to Habitat for Humanity.

Commemorative posters will be on sale for $5 dollars, benefiting the Delta Heritage Museum, and Flight Station will have a selection of historic L-1011 merchandise. Posters are also available at the museum offices between Hangar One and Hangar Two at the G.O., and will be on sale during the
ceremony Tuesday night at the TOC.
Rolls-Royce has commissioned an original oil painting that will be presented to DL that night.

Gate ceremonies also will take place in Orlando when the last L-1011 revenue flight, 1949, departs at 2:15 p.m. EDT, and at ATL when it arrives at 3:45 p.m. EDT. The aircraft will depart for desert storage in California at 10 a.m. EDT Wed., Aug. 1, carrying more than 200 DL employees who bid for the privilege in an auction to benefit United Way.

Celebration Schedule:

July 31

11:35 a.m., DL349 departs ATL
12:59 p.m., arrive MCO
1:30-2 p.m., local MCO celebration and commemoration at terminal
2:15 p.m., DL 1949 departs MCO

Champagne will be served during the commemoration flight with Delta passengers.

3:45 p.m., arrive at ATL, retirement washdown
4:15 p.m., gatehouse activities for retiring L-1011 Captain Randall L. Schmoyer
4:45 p.m.-6 p.m., aircraft cabin cleaning, tow to TOC
6 p.m.-10 p.m., Ship 728 on display at TOC for Delta employees and retirees, Lockheed and Rolls Royce guests. For a one dollar donation to Habitat for Humanity, participants can sign the aircraft exterior.

Aug. 1

10 a.m. EDT – Depart ATL for Victorville
12 p.m. PDT – Celebration in Victorville for Delta and Southern California Aviation Co.
Link to the L-10 "Retirement Home" www.scaviation.com (http://www.scaviation.com)

Delta operated a total of 70 L-1011 aircraft in 28 years, although the maximum in service at one time peaked at 56 in 1991. Delta is the only major airline to operate all four variants of the L-1011 – the L1011-1, the L-1011-200, the L-1011-250 and the L-1011-500. The aircraft were powered with
Rolls-Royce RB211-22B and RB211-524B4 engines. Seating configurations varied from 241 for the L-1011-500 to 302 for the L-1011-1.

The first Delta TriStar rolled off the assembly line in Palmdale, Calif., Sept. 7, 1973.

First delivered on Oct. 3, 1973, Delta’s original L-1011s went into revenue service Nov. 15, 1973 with 39 passengers from Atlanta to Philadelphia (ship 702).

Two TWA L-1011s were leased temporarily in October 1977 to supplement Delta’s fleet of 21 TriStars.

The aircraft flew its first transoceanic Delta flight, Atlanta-London Gatwick, on April 30, 1978.

An L-1011 inaugurated Delta’s first transpacific service, Atlanta-Portland-Tokyo, on March 2, 1987.

Other notable inaugurals flown by Delta L-1011s include:

DFW-Honolulu, Dec. 14, 1984
Atlanta-Honolulu, June 1, 1985
Portland-Seoul, Dec. 15, 1987
Portland-Taipei, July 1, 1988
Portland-Bangkok, Dec. 15, 1989

The last new L-1011 was delivered to Delta in May, 1983 (Ship 741).

Ship 726 was lost in a weather related accident Aug. 2, 1985 at DFW.

In addition to new aircraft, Delta acquired L-1011s from Pan Am, United, Air Canada and Eastern from 1984-1991.

Delta’s last transoceanic L-1011 flight was Nov. 30, 1998, Vienna to Atlanta.

Delta’s last Hawaii service with L-1011s was March 31, 2001.

Delta flew L-1011s to a total of 79 domestic and international cities.

Delta’s last L-1011 scheduled commercial flight was flight 1949, Orlando-Atlanta, July 31, 2001

[ 30 July 2001: Message edited by: The Guvnor ]

 

[Tomct]

Good info, thanks. Tried to make sure I had the right info, but I guess the google search missed it. Thanks.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

One should go and do a google search and see how many 747's NWA had in the past, most were doing out and backs from NRT. If you find the correct number, it will blow you mind. If is proof positive how bad the economy has been in Japan for quite some time.

 

[NuGuy]

One should go and do a google search and see how many 747's NWA had in the past, most were doing out and backs from NRT. If you find the correct number, it will blow you mind. If is proof positive how bad the economy has been in Japan for quite some time.

Heyas ACL,

In the 4th quarter of 1998, the NW fleet included:

3 747-100s
22 747-200s
10 747-400s
8 747-200Fs

Later on, more 6 more -400s and 5 more -200Fs were added. Many of these were in a "Beach" configuration, which was essentially high capacity for the intraport flying. Since most of these were 3 man cockpits, lots of pilot jobs.

There were also 38 DC-10s

And, of course, 179 DC-9s (+8 MD-80s)

Assorted other airplanes...48 757s, 40 727s,

Total fleet count was 415

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Nu, it was the total number of 747 widebodies that I was getting at. Most probably do not realize that at one time NWA one of the largest widebody fleets in the entire world.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

This Pilot was one of ours......Japanese background and said as a JAL pax bird taxiied by that UPS bought all of them just recently.....as heard from a friend of hers.

 

[NuGuy]

Nu, it was the total number of 747 widebodies that I was getting at. Most probably do not realize that at one time NWA one of the largest widebody fleets in the entire world.

Yup, just adding detail.

Whats even more interesting is UAL's WB fleet numbers. Especially when combined with CAL.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I know, 70 777's and the 744's that UAL has not parked. We will need to get some serious metal and frequency in Asia to compete.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey NU....

Not to nitpick or rehash what's done and history, but those 747's don't even equal the total amount of ER's we had before the merger.....let alone the 777's and 2X4's.....I forgot, super premium....my bad!

Delta was the only airline to run the 747, DC-10 and the L-1011 at the same time. Usually a forgotten fact. The SLI never mentioned it.

Please don't take my sarcasm as a burning desire to fight with anybody NWA, we are all in this together and it's over. I was just sayin'

 

[bluechunks]

Delta was the only airline to run the 747, DC-10 and the L-1011 at the same time. Usually a forgotten fact.

Really?

 

[nwaf16dude]

I'm pretty sure Pan Am did as well, right after the national merger

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok....good point about PanAm.....let me say, The first then??

I think it was in the 70's when sex with Flight Attendants was safe and flying was dangerous.

 

[NuGuy]

Hey NU....

Not to nitpick or rehash what's done and history, but those 747's don't even equal the total amount of ER's we had before the merger.....let alone the 777's and 2X4's.....I forgot, super premium....my bad!

Delta was the only airline to run the 747, DC-10 and the L-1011 at the same time. Usually a forgotten fact. The SLI never mentioned it.

Please don't take my sarcasm as a burning desire to fight with anybody NWA, we are all in this together and it's over. I was just sayin'

ACL asked for details. I gave them.

Nu