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Tug Driver

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Are all controllers required to know english? What kind of training does a United pilot get before flying a trip to Japan or China?

Just wondering

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Are all controllers required to know english?
Yes, ICAO requires it. Maybe they could require speaking without an accent too. :) Sometimes they are very difficult to understand.
 

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Tug Driver said:
Are all controllers required to know english?

Yes. English is the official language of international aviation, per the ICAO treaty. Sometimes or most times, accents can be a problem but it you pay attention, listen carefully and don't use slang, it works.


What kind of training does a United pilot get before flying a trip to Japan or China?

Just wondering

nik

I don't work for UAL so I can't answer that specifically. They will have some type of training but I don't know just what it is at United.
 

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IMHO, the female Taiwanese controllers are the hardest to understand.
 

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Know kidding! I was doing a hono to hong kong last month and I think I had to ask her to " say again" six times just to figure out she was telling us to procced via our fight plan route. The russians can be tough to understand also. " I SAID 600 METERS!!!!!!!!!!!!":eek:
PurpleTail said:
IMHO, the female Taiwanese controllers are the hardest to understand.
 

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I have heard local languages spoken to local aircraft in China and Russia.

Their english is actually not bad (chinese and russian).

Absolute worst in my book?

female japanese controllers...they are by far the WORST on the planet!

When you're cruising down Japan, and a female controller tells you to get ready to copy down a re-route...guys, just do yourself a favor and leave the cockpit..Let someone else handle that pain. LOL.

Some one told me a story a while back of an NWA B747 trying to pick up a clearance at NRT and a female controller just reads it out at Mach 2. The NWA pilot came back and say something to the effect..."ok,we know how fast you can say it, now let's hear how slow you can do it"

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The Saudi's are the worst. Reroute, fugedaboutit.
 

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The tokyo girls like to give a re route to kix from the nopac when there landing 06. If you don't already know it it can take several tries to get it right. I got in the habit of marking it on the area chart for the next crew so they would not have to struggle if it was there first time to kix.
 

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One thing to add, yes, the ICAO international language is English, but many countries like Russia,China,India,etc.... only are required to speak English or have an english speaking Person during the day, at night that rule does not apply, especially during the late hours, most charts, notams etc. will display the hours that English will be available


Something to keep in mind
 

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ukipilot said:
One thing to add, yes, the ICAO international language is English, but many countries like Russia,China,India,etc.... only are required to speak English or have an english speaking Person during the day, at night that rule does not apply, especially during the late hours, most charts, notams etc. will display the hours that English will be available


Something to keep in mind


I never saw anything on "English hours"...but have not been too far off the beaten path in Russia, China, or India...interesting.

Gotta agree that that "English" spoken at night in Russia is pretty bad, nevermind that it sounds like the guy is sitting in a tin $hithouse..
 

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Koslen said:
The tokyo girls like to give a re route to kix from the nopac when there landing 06. If you don't already know it it can take several tries to get it right. I got in the habit of marking it on the area chart for the next crew so they would not have to struggle if it was there first time to kix.


Lears can cross the nopac no problem?

I don't know much about corporate jets and their ranges.

thanks.

Trijet
 

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Heck, I've always found that the easiest to understand were the Japanese (of either gender) and Germans. Tokyo control can be hard? News to me!
 

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Mumbai radio....'nuff said.... Of course if you can get a word in edgewise.....
 

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The turk's are horrible, and so are the saudi's. Sometimes you can barely even make out your call sign, let alone the fix they're clearing you to.
 

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How about that woman in Ankara Control. I swear this particular ATC controller works 24/7. I have never been through Turkish airspace without hearing her voice, no matter the time of day.
 

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Anyone heard of the "Barge Inn" in Narita?

It's an English pub in Narita near the Narita station, frequented by flight crews.

It's named after the Japanese phonetic pronunciation of "Virgin" (call sign).

I always thought the Turkish were the worst. Had a woman controller whose voice sounded like fingernails on a chalkboard. Whew, makes the hair on my back stand up. :)
 

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After flying to over 40 foreign countries I would have to say Indonesia was the hardest to understand. I had no problems with Japan or Taiwan. I remember while on the ground in Jakarta clearance delivery had to repeat the clearance back at least 5 times; even then it was tough to comprehend.
 

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The lady in Ankara was the one I was thinking of when I made my earlier post. In fact, I spoke to her this afternoon on my way back from DLM.
 
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