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propilot1983

propilot1983

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Trying to start a flight ops for a manufacturing company that travels frequently to Europe from the midwest. Does anybody have any suggestions as to which aircraft to purchase or lease? Need something with the range, is economical, fairly simple a/c systems, nice for pax, etc... Need help.

Andrew
 
Need something with the range, is economical, fairly simple a/c systems, nice for pax, etc...
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That's quite a tall order. Care to be a bit more specific? Where to where? Midwest to Europe could be a wide range of distances. How many pax? Simple a/c systems compared to what? I don't think you'll ever find a bizjet capable of those trips with "simple" systems. What is considered economical? How many hours per year usage? What is the companys price range? You have to be a bit more specific if you want realistic answers.
 
huh?

Do citations go from KORD-KTEB nonstop?..pull up short in KABE maybe?

Chicago-France, 6 people, summer winds...humm....

You need a GV or a Global Express. Anything smaller would be VERY uncomfy for 6 frequent Europe travelers.

(42-50 mil.)

economical? Business Class on United Airlines is economical with 14+ days notice.

simple a/c systems?...humm....why? - thinking about working on it if it breaks?

This isn't one of those "Im an ERAU student writing a paper on corp aviation economics"...is it?

A citation....I love it!
 
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KORD -> France & U.K. Up to 6 Pax...

Would a Citation V make it there non stop?
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Uh....sure...if you outfit it with aerial refueling capabilities and convince the military to have tankers waiting for you in two or three locations over the Atlantic.

You're talking a 3500nm trip. Gulfstream IV or V, Global Express, BBJ, or possibly a Falcon 900 would be about it.
 
many buy outright, set up dummy companies, (possibly lease them back to themselves)...run the depreciation and warranties off them, and start over.

or a similar version to this.

they never let me buy them, got a hard enough time flying them....
 
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How many medium sized corporations do you see flying internationally and make the books work? Do you think most of these guys are having smaller bizjets to transport them around the country as well as take them to larger airports and get airline service to international destinations?
 
depends how often you go Intl'

A few times a year and just to London? Got news for you, First Class Sleeper on Virgin is more comfy than even a GV/GLEX - and its only 5K or so round trip last minute. 5K will be about your catering bill for 6 round trip on your own jet.

but...go overseas 2-3X a week to Asia,East Europe,etc..(my employer)....yup, you need to buy.

There are also wealthy individuals who fly in thier GV from NY-Florida. Can they do this in a 2mil citation? yeah. but they dont..


Basically you are asking an unanswerable and unrealistic question. Sorry.
 
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Ask a question and be a fool for five minutes...never ask the question and be a fool for a lifetime. I don't mind looking like a fool for five minutes:o

Thanks for the help.

Andrew
 
In additon to the cost of the aircraft don't forget that in Europe that both pilots have to be typed in that aircraft and have to had formal training in the last 12 months. Both pilots must have current 1st class medicals.
 
NEGATIVE on the 1st class medicals to Europe.


Brazil is the place Im aware of.
 
Maybe you should just call one of the fractional companies and get them to run the numbers for you. Maybe that is the way to go, because based on your listed experience level and the questions you have asked, I doubt that you need to be piloting anything from ORD to CDG.
 
Sleepy, how else is a person supposed to learn?? That's why there is flight safety. I don't think that it is fair that you limit me because of my TT. I know i am inexperienced, but aren't we all??? Thought that this forum was to help build people up, not knock them down. :( Thanks for your input though.

Andrew
 
Andrew relax man.

You just came around and asked some off the wall crazy questions. You want an economical plane (a citation!) to purchase and fly 6 folks from Chicago-Paris and you have 475 hours TT.

Its great thinking and all, but a little off the wall.


Thought that this forum was to help build people up, not knock them down. :( Thanks for your input though.

Sorry man, if this forum beats you up, the controllers into Le Bourget will leave you crying!!

flashbacks, flashbacks........citationkid......or the "skybar" kid.....flashbacks...

(haha kidding)
 
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NEGATIVE on the 1st class medicals to Europe.


Brazil is the place Im aware of.
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Actually the ECAC Countries are starting to enforce the 1st Class Medical in Europe too, so I've been told... I think we are about to go back to medicals every 6 months...
 
My questions were off the wall, but that's why I came to this forum to learn about the possibilities and instead of getting all straight and helpful answers to help point me in the right direction, I get slammed because I'm still learning. Don't get me wrong; most of the people who posted were helpful. I guess that I just expected a little more professionalism from everyone than getting mocked for being low time. I would have thought that these types of actions would have ended in high school. Live and learn. Thanks to all that were helpful. I appreciate most of you guys who were sincere and willing to offer honest assistance.



Andrew
 
get some thicker skin little girl!

With 475TT you are in for many boxes of tissues!!





FalconCapt -- I didnt hear that (or didnt listen..)...best just to go each 6 months and not worry about it I guess.
How's everything out your way? staying busy?
 
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Gulfstream 200 said:
get some thicker skin little girl!

With 475TT you are in for many boxes of tissues!!
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Gulfstream 200 said:
FalconCapt -- I didnt hear that (or didnt listen..)...best just to go each 6 months and not worry about it I guess. How's everything out your way? staying busy?
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Well this is what our self-proclaimed International Guru is telling us... We are fairly busy, the schedule is lightening up a bit for the summer (as it always does)...
 
same here....I will take the slow summer...Spring was BUSY.
 
propilot1983 said:
My questions were off the wall, but that's why I came to this forum to learn about the possibilities and instead of getting all straight and helpful answers to help point me in the right direction, I get slammed because I'm still learning. Don't get me wrong; most of the people who posted were helpful. I guess that I just expected a little more professionalism from everyone than getting mocked for being low time. I would have thought that these types of actions would have ended in high school. Live and learn. Thanks to all that were helpful. I appreciate most of you guys who were sincere and willing to offer honest assistance.



Andrew
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Sorry if I hurt your feeling and all that, but I was trying to be helpful. If you really are a pilot working for a company that needs an aircraft to fly from Chicago to Europe six times per month, and you are doing your research on which aircraft to buy for them on a message board, then maybe it is time to bring in an experienced professional to get the job done. That is all.
 
Get some professional help

You need to get info for your "project" from people like the NBAA (www.nbaa.com), etc if you seriously "need" to do this. You can also go to amazon.com (search for "corporate aviation management") and get some good books on Corp Aviation.

Good Luck.
 
G200: "Sorry man, if this forum beats you up, the controllers into Le Bourget will leave you crying!!"

That is to funny! I can relate to that statement. The French atc is something else. I remeber my first time coming out of Bourget and my boss yelling at me "to put the a/p on and help listen to these French bastards!" (good advice when flying over seas is to let the FMS/A/P fly and for the crew to monitor and listen carefully to atc.)
SCT
 

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