Interesting.....

[320AV8R]

Tony-

Your posts are quite interesting, but that pic of Angry Fred is starting to freak me out. (I guess you guys have an angry management also). Don't change it though.....

320AV8R

 

[TonyC]

Your posts are quite interesting, but that pic of Angry Fred is starting to freak me out.

Angry? Do you think he looks angry? Hmmmm....


That's strange. The picture was taken while he was in Toulouse at the unveiling, err, I mean "reveal" of the A-380. From all I could see, it was a festive occassion. Why do you suppose he would have been angry?










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[mrtoy2]

I wasn't trying to be original. Just stating a common feeling within the ranks of ALPA these days... It isn't meant to be funny.

 

[TonyC]

I wasn't trying to be original. Just stating a common feeling within the ranks of ALPA these days... It isn't meant to be funny.

Well, OK, that's fair. It's also fair to remind you that ALPA is a democratic organization, and any member has the opportunity to run for the office. It looks to me like the "common" feeling is the "minority" opinion.

Who else have you seen testify before Congress on your behalf lately?





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[PBRstreetgang]

Does anyone else find it interesting that Duane Worthless is a NWA pilot but yet ALPA is not supporting the mechanic's strike?

Things that make ya go hmmm........

More Hmmm,
Lessee, If Mr. Worthless, ALPA president looses his JOB when/if NW goes chap 7, will he still be the head of ALPA? Sounds like an interesting question, self preservation is a strong instinct, 400k a year is pretty powerful too!
Strongly repulsed, watching with rapt attention
PBR

 

[TonyC]

More Hmmm,
Lessee, If Mr. Worthless, ALPA president looses his JOB when/if NW goes chap 7, will he still be the head of ALPA? Sounds like an interesting question, ...

That, indeed, is an interesting question.


You're not under the mistaken assumption that Captain Woerth made the decision, are you? He is NOT a member of the NWA ALPA MEC that DID make that decision. Do you think they were thinking about their jobs when they made the decision? Absolutely, they were, and the jobs of all the pilots they represent, too. It's their JOB to preserve the jobs, silly.

 

[jetflier]

NEVER EVER ANYONE, Say one thing about a CO pilot or a EAL pilot again.

Because every pilot that was on property before those strikes and then crossed used the same logic in their hearts and heads that you NWA pilots are using at this very minute.

Those men and women, thought and said to ALPA, "We can not win this, we will only be burning down our company, at the loss of future lives, and careers." Yet to this day, other high and mighty airman, slander, backstab, and curse the other proffesionals for standing by their company at those times.

Funny that here in 2005 a NWA pilot is a hero for doing the same thing that 15 years ago he chided.

CoRect me if I'm wrong.....but wasn't the Continental strike an ALPA picket line that the CAL SCABS crossed?

 

[PCL_128]

More Hmmm,
Lessee, If Mr. Worthless, ALPA president looses his JOB when/if NW goes chap 7, will he still be the head of ALPA? Sounds like an interesting question, self preservation is a strong instinct, 400k a year is pretty powerful too!
Strongly repulsed, watching with rapt attention
PBR

Sorry, but your theory doesn't hold water. The President of the Association is not even required to be a pilot. If NWA goes under, Captain Woerth keeps his job as ALPA President. Self-preservation is not an issue at all in this case. Besides, the Association President didn't make this decision. The NWA MEC did. And a very wise decision it was.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sorry, but your theory doesn't hold water. The President of the Association is not even required to be a pilot. If NWA goes under, Captain Woerth keeps his job as ALPA President. Self-preservation is not an issue at all in this case. Besides, the Association President didn't make this decision. The NWA MEC did. And a very wise decision it was.

This brings up yet another example of ALPA's hypocritical actions. Several years ago, one of ALPA's EVPs, JM, turned 60. JM was a United pilot and at the time, United had pilots over 60 in the FE seat. Therefor, JM was allowed to keep his position. Shortly after 911, United retired it's 727s abruptly and there were no longer any over 60 pilots at United. The ALPA executive board passed a special resolution to allow JM to stay on past 60 while at the same time it openly advocated for every other ALPA pilot to leave at 60. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Joe

 

[psycho]

NWA MGT is brilliant!!

No more union mechanics. Next will be the gate agents and ground handlers. After that, the F/A's will be toast. Then the pilots will agree to what they are already resigned to, a 35% pay cut.

NWA will then declare bankruptcy and commence to rape and pillage all employees and stockholders. Duane is no dummy, his salary and pension will come from ALPA.

See you in the stockroom at WAL-MART.

 

[Marko Ramius]

Tony C

If you honestly think Duane and the Herndon boys weren't involved in the NWA MEC talks of whether to strike or not, you've got alot to learn about ALPA. Who do you think controls the strike funds necessary to make something like this work? Ask the pilots at airlines like AmWest and several of the regionals if Duane would let them strike or not over the last few years. After tossing UA to the curb, and with DL failing, ALPA will be looking for a new flagship carrier. Looks like it'll be you guys or CO, so maybe you have a chance of have a strike authorized one day. A good thing considering that if this NWA thing doesn't go well, y'all are in for a bigger dogfight on your contract than most probably realize.

 

[320AV8R]

Angry? Do you think he looks angry? Hmmmm....
That's strange. The picture was taken while he was in Toulouse at the unveiling, err, I mean "reveal" of the A-380. From all I could see, it was a festive occassion. Why do you suppose he would have been angry ?

It looks like it was taken moments after he learned that ALPA was now on the property.

320AV8R

 

[TonyC]

It looks like it was taken moments after he learned that ALPA was now on the property.

Yeahhhhh... It DOES look that way, doesn't it.... HEE HEE HEE










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[TonyC]

If you honestly think Duane and the Herndon boys weren't involved in the NWA MEC talks of whether to strike or not, you've got alot to learn about ALPA.

Oh, I'm certain that the NWA ALPA MEC availed itself of the resources of ALPA National. They'd be fools not to. However, when it came down to casting the vote that counted, Duane didn't have a vote.

Y'all wanna paint ALPA National like some great big bad evil machine that runs and ruins everything, when the fact is that just is NOT how it goes. The folks that run the show at NWA ALPA are NWA ALPA pilots. Plain and simple.




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[Marko Ramius]

Tony C

There really is no point in making this a drawn out flightinfo talk, so I'll just say this last piece and leave it at that one way or another. It's not so much a situation of making national out to be big, bad and evil, it's up to each individual member to form their own opinion of what National does. Regardless of one's opinion though, national absolutely gets involved in influencing these decisions just like our government influences individual states and countries but doesn't make the 'official' call. Ask the AmWest pilots if national authorized the strike fund or not for them, why did ACA, AirWis and TSA suddenly settle for less than what they wanted on their contracts in the 99-00 error(two down to the wire strike threats at TSA) and only Comair got to strike? Ask the UA MEC how they feel about national's help during their troubles, their meddling in the pension issue, or whether or not national told them,"WE haven't decided who will fly the 70 seat RJ's," back in 2001-2002. They are involved, and it goes beyond the ol' library of 'resources'. Your carrier and possibly yourself, have a relatively short history in ALPA, but find yourself in the middle of contract negotiations with these 'resources'. You can decide for yourself whether any such moves are in fact in the best interest of the collective or not, and as you say it is certainly a democratic process. However if your pilot group and representatives don't understand some facts about ALPA you'll be ill-equipped to get the contract you want and deserve. It wouldn't be the first time in this industry.

 

[Caveman]

Didn't CCAir pilots agree to a TA with their company only to have Worthless refuse to sign the contract? ALPA national does in fact 'pull the strings'. It may not be done in the light of day, but I'm betting that he who controls money gets a pretty significant say in who does what.

 

[SWA/FO]

Lets talk about something more exciting. Like Southwest Airlines!! We can even talk about SWAPA. We need a change of pace.

 

[FoxHunter]

Didn't CCAir pilots agree to a TA with their company only to have Worthless refuse to sign the contract? ALPA national does in fact 'pull the strings'. It may not be done in the light of day, but I'm betting that he who controls money gets a pretty significant say in who does what.

You are correct! That is the reason American pilots no longer belong to ALPA.

Suggest all take some time and learn from history.

http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/AboutAPA/Background/apa_the_details.asp

 

[FoxHunter]

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