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Interesting Article about SWA from Motley Fool....

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Age 65 didn't happen until December of 2007.

That's true FR8. Sorry I got that wrong. I guess I was focusing on those months, but DL was in bankruptcy for awhile so it would have been another two years to get the extra 5 years of age 65.

Just had a friend tell me a story of a DL Captain having a long, long career there and only left with a PBC payout. I guess he wishes he would have taken the buyout.
 

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Who wrote that part above? Herb Kelleher?


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No, but Herb has been quoted before:

One report said that the company founder of Southwest Airlines, Herb Kelleher was pretty upset about the bankruptcies…Herb calls bankruptcy a health spa for Airlines.
 

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What's the alternative to no BK's... Closing the doors and flooding the market with more pilots. I'm thankful we have this option cause one day MAYBE we may need it too!!
 

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So, paying down $3 billion in debt in 18 months isn't a revenue generator? How about making $2.5 billion in ancillary revenue last year alone? You still don't see it? You may need to hit the Walmart vision center next time you have a pm layover in LBB, get those eyes checked..... Making that much per year while paying billions for a new JFK terminal and LGA expansion means revenue generation. You might actually need LASIK surgery apparently.



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Here is someone shorting DAL...it isn't all roses!

http://blog.newconstructs.com/2012/06/05/why-is-sp-raising-its-outlook-on-delta-dal/

"...footnotes of DAL’s latest 10-K report, I find that the growth of the company’s off-balance-sheet liabilities is larger than the reduction in the company’s on-balance-sheet debt."
 
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There are also some big wigs on the "inside" buying up stocks. Here's an article about UAL, but notice the DAL part. Data, you really aren't ever leaving your sad situation. Ever.


United Continental Execs Agree: Buy

By Meena Krishnamsetty - August 24, 2012| Tickers: Meena is a member of The Motley Fool Blog Network -- entries represent the personal opinions of our bloggers and are not formally edited.

Insider Monkey tracks insider purchases because they are statistically associated withhigher returns. We are seeing multiple insiders at the same company buying in. This is because while company insiders might have many reasons to sell stock, there is really only one reason to buy: they are so confident in the company’s prospects that they ignore the benefits of diversification and tie their wealth even more tightly to the same company responsible for their income. This consensus of insider buying is what we have just seen this month at United five company officers each reported direct acquisitions of 13,500 shares at prices generally between $18 and $18.30, and CEO Jeffery Smisek bought 55,600 shares at an average price of $18.00. Seeing how earlier this month the CFO of Delta made a large insider buy as well, we can conclude that the remarkably low earnings multiples the market is assigning to many major airlines are undervaluing the stocks.



Bye DATA!



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There are also some big wigs on the "inside" buying up stocks. Here's an article about UAL, but notice the DAL part. Data, you really aren't ever leaving your sad situation. Ever.


United Continental Execs Agree: Buy

By Meena Krishnamsetty - August 24, 2012| Tickers: Meena is a member of The Motley Fool Blog Network -- entries represent the personal opinions of our bloggers and are not formally edited.

Insider Monkey tracks insider purchases because they are statistically associated withhigher returns. We are seeing multiple insiders at the same company buying in. This is because while company insiders might have many reasons to sell stock, there is really only one reason to buy: they are so confident in the company’s prospects that they ignore the benefits of diversification and tie their wealth even more tightly to the same company responsible for their income. This consensus of insider buying is what we have just seen this month at United five company officers each reported direct acquisitions of 13,500 shares at prices generally between $18 and $18.30, and CEO Jeffery Smisek bought 55,600 shares at an average price of $18.00. Seeing how earlier this month the CFO of Delta made a large insider buy as well, we can conclude that the remarkably low earnings multiples the market is assigning to many major airlines are undervaluing the stocks.



Bye DATA!



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That's a great response that only looks to the short term, if I was concerned about the long term, ie my pension, I would look a little further down the road. As the blog mentions, DAL will need 10-13 years of the same performance to meet its...your pension obligations. If the past decade is in any way an indicator of what can happen, I'd say you're screwed. I hope your retirement doesn't turn into a 'sad' situation. It would actually be pretty humorous to the majority on here that think you're a d!ckweed.
 

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He won't be screwed, it will be the original Northwest guys. In the end, General will treat them like dirt by flushing the pensions they thought they kept!

Full Steam Ahead General/OYS.
 

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That's true FR8. Sorry I got that wrong. I guess I was focusing on those months, but DL was in bankruptcy for awhile so it would have been another two years to get the extra 5 years of age 65.

Just had a friend tell me a story of a DL Captain having a long, long career there and only left with a PBC payout. I guess he wishes he would have taken the buyout.
Ok, I'll bite. What's a PBC payout? I know what a PBGC is. Or maybe your friend is as full of ******************** as you!
 

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Ok, I'll bite. What's a PBC payout? I know what a PBGC is. Or maybe your friend is as full of ******************** as you!

40 thousand a year I believe, for 30 years of service at Mother D.


Pretty painful.
 

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That's a great response that only looks to the short term, if I was concerned about the long term, ie my pension, I would look a little further down the road. As the blog mentions, DAL will need 10-13 years of the same performance to meet its...your pension obligations. If the past decade is in any way an indicator of what can happen, I'd say you're screwed. I hope your retirement doesn't turn into a 'sad' situation. It would actually be pretty humorous to the majority on here that think you're a d!ckweed.

Ever heard of Consolidation? Why would that be happening? To increase profit potential. Was that happening in the last decade? No. Will that help all of the remaining airlines? Sure it will. That type of planning is not short term, rather long term planning for the remaining airlines. Airlines like DL are shoring up their defenses, like building new terminals (JFK--$1.2 billion) (LGA---$300 million) and preparing to be huge revenue and profit generators. They are dumping unprofitable segments (like your 50 seaters---sorry:(, ) and ancillary revenues have helped pay down debt. UAL made $5.2 billion alone last year in change fees and bag fees, with DL making $2.5 billion. Were those fees around last decade? Nope. Now they are the norm. How about buying a refinery? Anything like that happen in the last decade? It will supposedly save 15 cents per gallon of Jet A. Would that be significant? You bet. Big deals are being looked at right now to pick the final 3-4 legacies and few LCCs that will remain for years to come.

Try all you want to disagree, but airlines are making long range plans to stick around and make big bucks. But, you might be worried about next month yourself. Throw in some apps to Spirit or Allegiant, maybe you'll get an interview? Good luck.


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40 thousand a year I believe, for 30 years of service at Mother D.


Pretty painful.

PBC??? Idiot. Weren't you critical of me for misspelling the NIC award? Hurry up Red, your fourth leg of the day leaves in 5 mins to Columbus, and then onto MDW. Sounds like so much fun, NOT!


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PBC??? Idiot. Weren't you critical of me for misspelling the NIC award? Hurry up Red, your fourth leg of the day leaves in 5 mins to Columbus, and then onto MDW. Sounds like so much fun, NOT!


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Hey Dork, you completely butchered the man's name. Not even close to leaving a letter out. Got you a little torqued? Hurry and call Virginia Ave, sounds like you might need the next size up on the River Boat Jacket. Don't forget your hat!

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Hey Dork, you completely butchered the man's name. Not even close to leaving a letter out. Got you a little torqued? Hurry and call Virginia Ave, sounds like you might need the next size up on the River Boat Jacket. Don't forget your hat!

Full Steam Ahead

Completely butchered by one letter? I then referred to it as the NIC award, which should suffice. Am I torqued? Hardly. While I enjoy my trips flying to places I want to go and think about upcoming retirements, you sit in MAF or CHM and think about stagnation and how many AT guys were put in front of you that will delay your career progression, meaning 5 leg intra Texas days will be prevalent in your future for years to come. Oh, I heard you might announce Branson, MO next week as a SWA destination. Great for you........? Maybe you'll have nonstops to ISP or AMA?


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Isp rocks !!!
 

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Completely butchered by one letter? I then referred to it as the NIC award, which should suffice. Am I torqued? Hardly. While I enjoy my trips flying to places I want to go and think about upcoming retirements, you sit in MAF or CHM and think about stagnation and how many AT guys were put in front of you that will delay your career progression, meaning 5 leg intra Texas days will be prevalent in your future for years to come. Oh, I heard you might announce Branson, MO next week as a SWA destination. Great for you........? Maybe you'll have nonstops to ISP or AMA?


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There are alot of things I don't like about SWA right now. But their marketing team isn't one of them. I'm sure your bosses feel the same way every time SWA increases fares by 10 smacks. It's almost like they control domestic pricing. Soon Red will be enjoying a nice mojito at the El Caribe Hilton in San Juan, the land lock for SWA is almost over.
 

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In business, there has never been a successful merger of two of the smallest competitors in an industry, they always fail and are gobbled up by the larger forces in the market.
 

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There are alot of things I don't like about SWA right now. But their marketing team isn't one of them. I'm sure your bosses feel the same way every time SWA increases fares by 10 smacks. It's almost like they control domestic pricing. Soon Red will be enjoying a nice mojito at the El Caribe Hilton in San Juan, the land lock for SWA is almost over.

I never thought of it that way Humvee, but you are exactly right. Just finished an article that spells out how domestic fare increases are driven by SW.

DL and others try to raise fares, if SW doesn't go along then the fare drops back immediately.

If SW raises fares, others follow along instantly.

Pretty serious domestic market force.
 

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There are alot of things I don't like about SWA right now. But their marketing team isn't one of them. I'm sure your bosses feel the same way every time SWA increases fares by 10 smacks. It's almost like they control domestic pricing. Soon Red will be enjoying a nice mojito at the El Caribe Hilton in San Juan, the land lock for SWA is almost over.

What's interesting is that they USED TO never go along with fare increases, because they had great hedges. Now that they do not, and they have merger related costs, they HAVE TO have fare increases. Also, they don't charge for bags (more than two they do, and Airtran still does), so they miss out on a lot of ancillary revenue that the others (UAL made $5.2 BILLION last year in fees alone, DL $2.5 billion) make.

As far as Red enjoying San Juan, he may not be able to hold that for years. Thanks to the merger and dropping of 30 738 orders, the stagnation may stick around for awhile. But, he may be in luck if swarms of people senior to him see the light and apply to the Legacies, where true progression can occur with huge retirements in the future. DL's VP of Flt Ops said DL could hire 7000 pilots in 10 years. At SWA, 700 may be hired in 5 years. But for Red, he's happy with Islip and Midland. Good for him! He probably thinks he wins the lottery when he sees BOTH of those in the same day. Good luck Red!


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