Info on cabin class twins???

[capt_zman]

They'd look at you, but you will definitely be going to training and you'll probably have to fly with a more experienced pilot for some time (anywhere from 25-100 hours).

As for price, roll the dice. It's all how you present it to the underwriters. I'd find a pilot with King Air experience and put them along with yourself on the quote. Probably the only way you're going to get anywhere.

 

[banned username 2]

As the good twin Cessna salesman that I am I will continue to push the 421C. A 1976-1984 421C max zero fuel weight is 6,733lbs, and max takeoff weight is 7,450 lbs. So that gives you 717 pounds of what ever you have with full fuel. Full fuel will give you an IFR range of approx: 1,000NM.

WHAT are you smokin???? How do you figure that: Gross Weight - Zero Fuel Weight = useful load with full fuel???

Gross Weight - BOW = Useful Load (Fuel, People & Bags)
ZFW - BOW = Max Payload

Max Zero Fuel Weight is the max load you can put in the fuselage (Max Wing Bending Weight) that isn't fuel... Basically ZFW-BOW is the maximum amount of payload you can carry...

All it is saying is that ANY weight carried over 6,733 lbs MUST be carried as fuel...

 

[jrav8tor]

Great info guys!!

Thanks again Zman! Thanks also to FalconCapt, BigDave and everyone else for the info, it was truly helpful!

Feel free to PM me with any other info you feel would be helpful.

Thanks!
Jrav8tor

 

[aero99]

The Mojave is pressurized. Not sure on the numbers, but it is a sweet looking plane. Check out aso, there are a few really nice ones there.

I would second Zman on the Baron. If you could find a pressurized 58 with the larger engines, those are screamers. I think your friend is going to be limited to what he can get by insurance if he has low hours though.

I know a guy that just bought a 421. He has a few pilots that fly for him. One has 8000 hours and the other something like 15k hours and i think he said insurance was around 10k per year AFTER sending both pilots to Flight Safety for around $6k a pop.

I would recommend your friend get with a well known broker to help with the purchase. There is no shortage of planes out there and many look to be good deals- until you find out they need over $100k in AD's or maint to be able to fly.

 

[Lonestar]

Performance Data

Try this website. You can search da#n near any aircraft and get performance data on it.

http://24.129.188.232/cgibin/SearchManufac.html

 

[414Flyer]

Cessna 340 and 414 are not bad planes at all, but if you are going to be flying 6-8 people on a regular basis, I would probably look elsewhere. A 421 might do, but if 8 people will be a regular event, and unless they are midgets, I would start looking towards turbine.

They both have the same engines, and the 340 is a bit faster and will do better on one engine. I do air ambulance in a 414 here in New Mexico, with high density altitudes..Try over 9000 ft before I ever leave the runway, on an average summer day, and probably approaching 10,000 once it gets to 90s.

I hope I never lose an engine in a 414 after takeoff with patient, nurses and gas, because I suspect the driftdown altitude will be somewhere well below the surface, and the terrain around here is not exactly like it was in North dakota.

A 340 is a easy plane to fly, and not too bad on one engine. 414 is roomier, heavier...

I did cloud seeding in a 340 last year, and now do air ambulance in a 414 and forest fire "air attack" in a 340 too

 

[jrav8tor]

Groover,

Great website, thanks!

Aero thanks for the insight on the AD's and SB's, will have to keep an eye on those. Is there a website or other source of info that would have a list of all the AD's and SB's for the make and model aircraft? Faa.gov have that?

 

[aero99]

Yep. Right on the front page of www.faa.gov


here is the direct link:

http://www1.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet

 

[jrav8tor]

Sweet! Thanks Aero!

 

[HMR]

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[jrav8tor]

HMR, thanks for the info! I was surprised the turbine was less expensive than the 421? I guess it must have been around the block a few times.