indy recall

[AZ Typed]

Replace Indy with Midway, Dulles with RDU and Airbus with Boeing. The question is.... who is Indy going to do feeder service for?

Thank you for flying ( insert your favorite mainline feeder name) operated by Indepedence Air!

(disgruntled senior Indy Air pilot; 'yeah I flew the Airbus once')

I haven't read anywhere on this board where anybody asked you either way. So if you don't mind, shut it.

AZT

 

[FrenchTickler]

You'd have to be a freaking moron to take a recall to Indy!

Go back to Indy!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I haven't read anywhere on this board where anybody asked you either way. So if you don't mind, shut it.

AZT

A bit sensitive? You'll get over it....... in time. We all have.

 

[SloDoDriver]

I am bypassing...If you are already at Comair stay.............or ASA ....or Pinnacle....or Chatsquate......my opinion.
If you weren't current I would take the recall, but otherwise....

 

[Indy319FA]

Supposedly they are saying we are going to recall 50 for attrition and they only expect 10% of those on furlough to return. Rumor mill says another 50 will be recalled in August or September because we will be sending 40 FOs and 40 CAs to training for the 8 Airbuses that will arrive during the 1Q of 2006 ( 2 in Dec, 2 in Jan, 2 in Feb, 2 in Mar). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the 10% figure holds they will have to go through the entire list to get the first 50, and even those that bypass will have to "sh!t or get off the pot" (as somebody stated earlier) by September.

Unfortunately we won't really have an idea if Indy is going to make it until after the 3Q figures are released, which will likely be after the second 50 are recalled. BB was in the crew room last week and said we did not meet the cash requirements in June for GE to prevent them from taking 8 more CRJs, so these will likely be leaving the fleet in November (basically its up to GE to decide to take them and the company expects them to). So after this we will have a fleet mix of 20 319s and 50 CRJs by March 2006.

KS and the boys in the crystal palace are saying we are close to breakeven and will be profitable early next year. This is hard to believe with the price of oil right now. Supposedly we will have 50 million in cash by December.

We are short on CAs, FOs, and FAs. People are leaving in droves for jetBlue, Air Tran, and Southwest. Pilots are also going to FedEx, UPS, corporate, fractionals, and other freight companies. Right now we are losing 1 pilot a day (or 30 a month). We lost 60 FAs in May when TOWOP expired.

You folks on furlough are going to have a tough decision sometime in the fall. Hope to see you back at Indy, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[SYX328]

It is not going to be long for Indy to put the "For Sale" sign up. Or start raising the base fares above 29 o/w. Anyways they are slowly becoming the new Wal*Mart of the skies, slowly following behind WN. KS should never left the fee for departure world to go on his own. I worked at ACA for almost 5 years and actually enjoyed leaving the company.

 

[House_X]

Supposedly they are saying we are going to recall 50 for attrition and they only expect 10% of those on furlough to return. Rumor mill says another 50 will be recalled in August or September because we will be sending 40 FOs and 40 CAs to training for the 8 Airbuses that will arrive during the 1Q of 2006 ( 2 in Dec, 2 in Jan, 2 in Feb, 2 in Mar). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the 10% figure holds they will have to go through the entire list to get the first 50, and even those that bypass will have to "sh!t or get off the pot" (as somebody stated earlier) by September.

Unfortunately we won't really have an idea if Indy is going to make it until after the 3Q figures are released, which will likely be after the second 50 are recalled. BB was in the crew room last week and said we did not meet the cash requirements in June for GE to prevent them from taking 8 more CRJs, so these will likely be leaving the fleet in November (basically its up to GE to decide to take them and the company expects them to). So after this we will have a fleet mix of 20 319s and 50 CRJs by March 2006.

KS and the boys in the crystal palace are saying we are close to breakeven and will be profitable early next year. This is hard to believe with the price of oil right now. Supposedly we will have 50 million in cash by December.

We are short on CAs, FOs, and FAs. People are leaving in droves for jetBlue, Air Tran, and Southwest. Pilots are also going to FedEx, UPS, corporate, fractionals, and other freight companies. Right now we are losing 1 pilot a day (or 30 a month). We lost 60 FAs in May when TOWOP expired.

You folks on furlough are going to have a tough decision sometime in the fall. Hope to see you back at Indy, but I'm not holding my breath.

Why???...because your lickin' yer chops to get in the right seat of an RJ? "$#!t or get off the pot" ???? You can have my right seat...knowing how things are going, you'll be furloughed the day you start ground school. Maybe you should quit your FA job and build your flight time up...

 

[skyaddict]

Many FO's (anyone without the requisite wad of turbine PIC) now have crappy right seat jobs at companies with **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty contracts, or even if at good companies, perhaps no chance of an upgrade until hell freezes over (though things change fast for better or for worse- see my comment below). In that sense, getting an instant, huge pay raise the first day of refresher training, even if it means another furlough soon, isn't that draconian. It certainly seems *very* possible that Indy will fail with these oil prices, but this is the airline industry, and you never, ever, really know what the situation will be a year from now for the company if the alternative is rotting in another right seat at $20K a year.

 

[SloDoDriver]

It is a fairly easy decision...either you take it or you don't....If I needed jet currency I would take it....If it works, then someday you might be flying an Airbus if not then back to unemployment.............

 

[GoJetPilot]

Come on over to Go Jets.....We are hiring a lot of professional pilots

QOL will be a lot better than all the other mickey mouse regionals

 

[I Hate Freight]

would you accept a recall at indy or stay at current regional as a senior fo with less than 4 months to upgrade. i just want some opinions, thanks

Somebody this dumb should not be flying real airplanes.

i don't give two fcuks about my grammer

Yes, we can see that.

 

[Indy319FA]

Why???...because your lickin' yer chops to get in the right seat of an RJ? "$#!t or get off the pot" ???? You can have my right seat...knowing how things are going, you'll be furloughed the day you start ground school. Maybe you should quit your FA job and build your flight time up...

House,

You can take your bitter pill and your right seat and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. If I were looking to get into the right seat of an RJ I could have been out of here long ago. I'm looking for the right job, not the first "right seat" that gets shoved under my nose. When and where I decide to go is none of your business, nor do I really care about your opinion. As things look right now, I will probably be long gone from Indy before they start hiring again. I was just attempting to pass along some current information that I have come across. So you can take your attitude and shove it. I don't really care.

PS Do the letters FO mean anything to you?

 

[inthewind]

My first post on this board but for what it's worth here goes. On Wednesday when Dan Spaghettios called me to confirm my bypass fax I asked how many were being recalled. He told me "less than thirty". I hope that Indy makes it (cuz I got lots of their stock) but for now I'm a Lear 35 Captain at a 135 outfit in my hometown. I could'nt afford the pay cut and add a commute to boot.

'Live to ride, Ride to Live.'

 

[Ty Webb]

CLE 8/21/2000 #1329
IAH 12/4/2000 #1470
EWR 2/5/2001 #1579

The upgrade at AirTran is 2 years faster than XJ? Hard to believe. Our most recent CA upgrade was hired 1/30/03.

Sheesh! I guess they did me a favor in '99. Maybe I ought to send them a "thank you".

 

[SloDoDriver]

Come on over to Go Jets.....We are hiring a lot of professional pilots

QOL will be a lot better than all the other mickey mouse regionals

Go Jets? Yeah right, begging for United scraps.....Nice Pay scale.....

 

[House_X]

House,

You can take your bitter pill and your right seat and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. If I were looking to get into the right seat of an RJ I could have been out of here long ago. I'm looking for the right job, not the first "right seat" that gets shoved under my nose. When and where I decide to go is none of your business, nor do I really care about your opinion. As things look right now, I will probably be long gone from Indy before they start hiring again. I was just attempting to pass along some current information that I have come across. So you can take your attitude and shove it. I don't really care.

PS Do the letters FO mean anything to you?

There's only ONE number that you need to look at, and that's the financial quarter profit numbers. That's the reason why there's a high attrition rate...people have families and house payments to make...

I called you out because your runnin' yer mouth like Kit Darby..."tough decisions"? Hardly...

 

[nimtz]

The upgrade at AirTran is 2 years faster than XJ? Hard to believe. Our most recent CA upgrade was hired 1/30/03.

Sheesh! I guess they did me a favor in '99. Maybe I ought to send them a "thank you". Poetic justice, I guess.

FCHARTER!!!

Don't forget to mention the unqualified chick Dressler hired instead of you. Wow that's definetly a flashback. Ty sure holds a grudge eventhough he won the lottery with his timing of getting on with Citrus.

Sometimes you make very logical arguements and I often agree with you. Then there are times where you act so arrogant that it reflects poorly on your character. This is definetly the latter.

The way you thumb your nose here is not much different from an arrogant Delta pilot in early 2001 belittling you for going to work for a bottom feeder that used to be named Value Jet.

 

[Always deferred]

My first post on this board but for what it's worth here goes. On Wednesday when Dan Spaghettios called me to confirm my bypass fax I asked how many were being recalled. He told me "less than thirty". I hope that Indy makes it (cuz I got lots of their stock) but for now I'm a Lear 35 Captain at a 135 outfit in my hometown. I could'nt afford the pay cut and add a commute to boot.

'Live to ride, Ride to Live.'

That you, wild?

 

[BluDevAv8r]

The upgrade at AirTran is 2 years faster than XJ? Hard to believe. Our most recent CA upgrade was hired 1/30/03.

Sheesh! I guess they did me a favor in '99. Maybe I ought to send them a "thank you".

Ty,

Rather than post some sarcastic comment extoling on the virtues of your good fortune, perhaps you should look a little deeper into the situation. Right after 9/11 CAL sent roughly 450 mainline pilots back to XJT and virtually all were instant captains on the RJ, thus displacing hundreds of XJT captains and furloughing hundreds of XJT FO's. Had that action never happened, the 1 to 2 year upgrades that were normal shortly before 9/11 would have continued for quite some time. I upgraded in 1 year on the E-120 and due to 9/11, all of the props were retired (lost my CA seat) and it took 3 more years for me to upgrade to Captain on the RJ...5 years in total. Those 2001 hires that are no upgrading were actually furloughed for almost 2 years. Most are on 2nd or barely 3rd year pay despite having 2001 DOH's.

Sorry for the harsh start but in my view it was a measured response. By the way, unless you were interviewed in 11/99 to 12/99, you never would have lost your captain seat and you would have upgraded on a prop in a year and the jet in 1.5 years.

-Neal

 

[Ty Webb]

Rather than post some sarcastic comment extoling on the virtues of your good fortune, perhaps you should look a little deeper into the situation.

Well, Neal, the way I see it, they didn't look very deeply at me when they put me and 20 other people through the "cattle call" . . . . that was two days of my life and a couple hundred bucks I'll never get back.

I was especially disgusted by the the whole "come back after lunch, but don't tell anyone" aspect of it. . . . . So, I have no love lost for XJT.

I am, however, sorry to hear about how it affected you personally. That sounds like pretty tough time. Glad to hear things are better.

 

[inthewind]

That you, wild?

Yeah 'i;m your huckleberry'

 

[inthewind]

Hey always deffered,
I understand that you passed up the recall too. Anyway I was out on me brand stinkin' new Softail Springer last Friday and I got run over on the interstate. Some ol' bag merged into me cuz' she didn't see me. If she hadn;t had that darn cell phone in her ear maybe my baby wouldn;t have to spend the whole summer being rebuilt. I'm fine just some scrapes and a sprained ankle. The worst par is that the stinking company that I work for docked me two days pay because you only get one sick day ever in your career. Yeah I just spent three hors filling out the Continental APP.
Live to Ride, Ride to Live

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Well, Neal, the way I see it, they didn't look very deeply at me when they put me and 20 other people through the "cattle call" . . . . that was two days of my life and a couple hundred bucks I'll never get back.

I was especially disgusted by the the whole "come back after lunch, but don't tell anyone" aspect of it. . . . . So, I have no love lost for XJT.

I am, however, sorry to hear about how it affected you personally. That sounds like pretty tough time. Glad to hear things are better.

Seems kind of ridiculous to judge a company based on an isolated negative experience with a now-terminated pilot recruiter that occurred 6 years ago. Isn't that akin to me judging Airtran based on VJ's PFT scheme or the fact that VJ has a few scabs? I could go on but I think you get my point.

-Neal

 

[Doug Parker]

Seems kind of ridiculous to judge a company based on an isolated negative experience with a now-terminated pilot recruiter that occurred 6 years ago. Isn't that akin to me judging Airtran based on VJ's PFT scheme or the fact that VJ has a few scabs? I could go on but I think you get my point.


That wasn't an ISOLATED incident with those Douchebags in Houston. Besides you can't say Jack Schit about VJ PFT because you scumbags had your own little PFT scheme going - that's why qualified people didn't get hired and you little rich pricks got hired with 500TT and a wad of Daddy's cash.

 

[Mookie]

I have flown with literally hundreds of great captains and FO's over the years that had the same experience with the Coex interview. what a freakin' joke. no love lost, and thanks for the no thanks.

enoy your "regional Jet".

Mookie

 

[BluDevAv8r]

That wasn't an ISOLATED incident with those Douchebags in Houston. Besides you can't say Jack Schit about VJ PFT because you scumbags had your own little PFT scheme going - that's why qualified people didn't get hired and you little rich pricks got hired with 500TT and a wad of Daddy's cash.

The isolated experience I was referring to was the "Dresser interview" in general...not just his interview. That interview should not be how one judges an airline...especially when it a) occurred 6 years ago and b) that guy doesn't work here anymore and c) the process is completely different. Since 1999, XJT has had a complete management turnover. It is a completely different company. This is why I referenced Airtran now and Airtran/VJ 6 years ago. It is apples and oranges. As to your last statement, get a grip...I didn't pay nor did I have 500 hours when I was hired. And not that it matters (because it doesn't), but roughly 3/4 of our pilots on property today didn't PFT.

-Neal

 

[nimtz]

I have flown with literally hundreds of great captains and FO's over the years that had the same experience with the Coex interview. what a freakin' joke. no love lost, and thanks for the no thanks.

enoy your "regional Jet".

Mookie

Get it over it all ready! With all the cr@p we've all been through since 9/11, I can't believe you guys still get worked up over a bad Dresser experience. The irony is that many who got turned down by Coex ended up alot better off at other places in terms of seniority and upgrade. Funny how you guys get so p!ssed off about the interview, yet everyone of you is glad not to be be working here. Tells me you should GET OVER IT. Pardon me if I don't bow down and beg your forgiveness for a sh!tty interview process FIVE YEARS AGO.

 

[Mookie]

Nimitz,

I love your avatar. maybe we can go on a double date.

yeah dresser was a prique, and I got treated like dogshaet. water over the bridge, just that interview will forever be burned in my mind.
I'd also like to thank Continental for kicking us out of IAH...Den is infinitely better.

good times,
Mookie