Indy- Massive Furloughs

[Heavy Set]

Complete the RJ Tour at COEX...

I've heard COEX could hire as many as 500-600 this year. So, if you've flown the D328Jet and the CRJ, why not add the ERJ to your "RJ Tour"... I hear Coex is a good company to work for and that they might be adding E170s soon.

 

[FreightNazi]

I've been looking all over the place and I can't seem to find anywhere to apply. I did find the web page to apply to other jobs at UPS but no pilot positions. Is this on another website or maybe the window is closed for now?

You have the correct web site. The window for apps must be closed now. I do know that they got absolutley swamped with apps when it was open earlier, so the pilot position not being available now must mean they have enough apps to select from. Keep trying though, as the window could reopen at any time.

The latest is that we are going to have one more class of second officers and then we will start hiring into the right seat. For those fortunate enough to get hired, you should be on the cusp of a substantial hiring wave.

 

[j41driver]

I've heard COEX could hire as many as 500-600 this year. So, if you've flown the D328Jet and the CRJ, why not add the ERJ to your "RJ Tour"... I hear Coex is a good company to work for and that they might be adding E170s soon.

Gee...just what I wanted...another RJ! I'm just kidding of course. Thank you for the information.

 

[generaltso]

I have several friends getting furloughed. Good luck to everyone over there.

 

[Tooslow]

If it mattters to you all, Coex does not require you to give up your recall rights, When I went there about a year ago after I got furloughed from ACA, I was a "shoe-in". No tests, no sim, no technical q's, just why COEX...............as soon as they realized I was furloughed.....They love furloughed Pilots


I had US Air, United, and American Eagle guys in my class.......................Good Luck, It was hard for me, I am sure it is harder with a family......

 

[Tailwinds]

I just got a May 1 furlough date! Dunno what to do. JetBlue, please buy us so at least we can be furloughed from your list.

The word on the street is that the powers that be traded half the CRJ fleet for no lease payments this year. Dunno any great details, but that gives Indy $100M more than they planned for, and with a smaller fleet that's an extra two quarters or so of cash. I don't know it for myself but some guys have said that Management projected an ideal mix of 60 Airbus:45 CRJs, but were forced to start with 0/87. Now half the equation has been rectified with money savings enough to give the other half a fighting chance.

Yeah, this is without a doubt an admission of failure of the original plan, but 45 planes (my guess) and fewer cities is more rational than 87. It's more likely to work (although I won't say it is likely to work, just more so). 87 could have worked if it had been marketed brilliantly and ramped up slowly. But you can't fly HSV-TPA without advertising in either city.

I can't say what a pleasure it has been the last few months with Independence. For the first time in my five year career my passengers have been absolutely thrilled and delighted with their service, they smile and shake my hand when they get off and tell me what a great airline we have. I get more compliments in any given week under Indy then in a year under the big U. Even the jumpseaters have had lots more compliments, although they're schmoozing for a free ride I hope Indy succeeds not because of my own job (I've given it up for lost) but because it would be a triumph of the people who do good for their passengers over those who don't.

 

[KPTPK]

I'm trying to find a old college friend of mine that works for indy. Just trying to see of he is still with them or if this layoff affected him. He's in the CRJ. Please PM if you could be of help and I'll provide you his name.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I gotta say Kudos for Indy going your own way

because flying the 170 for the United side for chq IS HELL! Air Wisconsins baggage is a joke in ORD. Every ramper I met hates Air Wisc managment.

In IAD, even worse..I const hear Trans, Air Wisc complaining on ops 24/7

Jesus what an F'd up operation they have, no wonder yall broke away.

Cant wait for the 170s to fly for the delta side.

Anyways, like many others here, have friends at indy and are great friends who unfort are getting furloughed. some of my riddle diddle friends are lucky and will still be there. Hope your issues get resolved soon

Later Biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch

 

[dojetdriver]

I was wondering the same thing, and the answer is right there in the thread's first post.

What I don't understand is the statement that "pilots that are currently captains will be furloughed". The math on this one is fuzzy, but I'll try:

unless there's a reason that 5+year FO's were bypassed for upgrade and there are some very junior captains on that list.

Li'l help?

I know this makes me sound like a total smartass, but here goes. For those of us that were 4-5+ year FO's that didn't get CA. There were two events that maybe you heard of that really f$%ked up alot of upgrades for alot of guys.

1. Sept. 11
2. United filing ch. 11, hiring some screwed up outfit called Bain Consulting
to look at all our financials and tell us our FO's were 30+ percent overpaid
compared to "industry standard". Ironically, they also told us our flight
attendants were 14 percent overpaid. You believer that sh1t, someone who
doesn't even break 18,000 a year is over paid.

 

[Always deferred]

A quick thanks to all you guys and gals for your support in these tough times, esp those airlines who have offered to help by giving us interviews and hiring us. I don't regret one bit the direction our company chose to go and for that reason I can hold my chin up. There is more unity in this tiny regional sector than is given credit for and I just want to say thanks again. Believe it or not but we ARE all in this thing together...

Tailwinds,

RB
DOH 4/8/02
DOF 1/31/05

 

[cunaguaro]

good luck

this is very unfair to all my friends down in aca/indy, i hope for a quick recuperation of the airline and recalls

 

[I.P. Freley]

I know this makes me sound like a total smartass, but here goes. For those of us that were 4-5+ year FO's that didn't get CA. There were two events that maybe you heard of that really f$%ked up alot of upgrades for alot of guys...

Okay, sure, that WAS a little smartassy... you don't understand why someone on the outside would wonder about 4-5yr FO's when there are (according to another post) 25 captains in the bottom third of the present company seniority list, give or take (pre-furlough)? I.e., Captains that will be furloughed, not downgraded? This would make sense at a company that hired street captains or hired VERY low-time FO's, but I didn't think this was the case at ACA, even "back in the day".

 

[stillflyn]

jetBlue is starting to crank up the hiring. Hope to see you guys over here. Good luck.

Stillflyn

 

[j41driver]

jetBlue is starting to crank up the hiring. Hope to see you guys over here. Good luck.

I'm trying....I'm trying!!

 

[328jetdriver]

I'm taking a breather from the airlines for now. Offered a better opportunity flying elsewhere. Good luck to all my fellow BlueRidgers, especially you CVG guys. It was one hell of a ride. ( I think???)

Stevo

 

[j41driver]

......

 

[BFE]

I remember many of posts on here wishing/hoping ill will to Fly I. Hope this news brings you many restfull nights. I hope I live to see the day airline pilots stick together.

Best of luck to all FLY I employees!

 

[BeCareful!]

Hey INDY people -

Very sorry to hear about your furloughs. None of us need that in our lives or our industry.

You all were very good to me while I was furloughed from U and commuting MDT to TUL......a tough commute that you all saved my butt on several times. Thanks!

I hope I'm able to return the favor someday.

Hang tough. There should be lot's of CRJ work in this country for many years to come. Look into instructing on the type.....sometimes there's better $$ in that.

 

[Rottweiller]

First of guys (and girls to be PC), it's the $hits what is happening over there.

That said just looked at our bitching board and the word from the fleet manager is that they (AWAC) are looking at doing interviews in IAD for ACA furloughs to fill positions in classes starting Feb. And just so you know, a lot of pilots have expressd that we should take this course action on that same board.

Not much consolation I know but your not forgotten either.

 

[murfdawg998]

I'm out. Time for livable wages, home every night, not spending Christmas and New Years on the road. I was a career changer, so it's back to my old gig. It was fun while it lasted.

'TOGA to Ten'

neflier is really good at his "old gig," too!!!

 

[WhiteCloud]

That said just looked at our bitching board and the word from the fleet manager is that they (AWAC) are looking at doing interviews in IAD for ACA furloughs to fill positions in classes starting Feb. .

Is that a sign that AWAC is getting the UAL flying?

 

[MECH]

Good luck to every one that is getting furloughed.

I know that ExpressJet will welcome you over here.

 

[DAL737FO]

It sounds like we are going to run another new hire class here at Capital in February. Starting pay is $50.64/hr with a 62 hour guarantee. It's night freight but a good company. With all the people out on the street having someone walk your resume in is the best way to get the interview.

B-727 Freight Dawg

 

[buzzer]

Maybe we as a group can learn something that will help us from the major upset in the industry.

When the majors were paying so well, it was ok for most to become a "slave" for awhile to build time. The plug has been pulled. IMO, there will be no to very little upside to this profession until we come together as a group. I just don't see that happening quite yet. Why? There hasn't been enough pain collectively as a group to give us the motive. Now, if SWA was looking at a 40% paycut, some heads would be rolling.

The employees of this industry are paying for managements mistakes.

 

[Rottweiller]

Is that a sign that AWAC is getting the UAL flying?

Who knows but company was signing a new contract to do heavy MX on the RJ's down in JAX. They seem to be going ahead with stuff as if nothing was really wrong, ie. MX, ACARS in 87 aircraft, new hire classes etc etc.

 

[NuGuy]

When the majors were paying so well, it was ok for most to become a "slave" for awhile to build time. The plug has been pulled. IMO, there will be no to very little upside to this profession until we come together as a group. I just don't see that happening quite yet. Why? There hasn't been enough pain collectively as a group to give us the motive. Now, if SWA was looking at a 40% paycut, some heads would be rolling.

Buzzer,

You've come pretty close to the mark here. Only the fare structure of the majors of the late 1990's could support RJs.

If all the majors go to an LCC type structure, RJs go away. You don't see B6, SWA or AirTran paying someone else to fly aircraft.

ACA dumped UAL for a reason, and that reason was that UAL didn't want to pay the going rate to operate the aircraft. If everyone is an LCC, then no RJs.

Nu

 

[Twotter76]

Buzzer,


If all the majors go to an LCC type structure, RJs go away. You don't see B6, SWA or AirTran paying someone else to fly aircraft.



Nu

Not to be picky but Air Wisconsin was paid by Airtran to fly CRJs out of ATL for a little over a year.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Not to be picky but Air Wisconsin was paid by Airtran to fly CRJs out of ATL for a little over a year.

But AirTran has since ended that operation. And I don't believe they've sought offers for anyone to fly RJ-type equipment since ending their deal with AW.