Indy and Airtran in spitting match....

[BSkin]

And I don't work? Ever heard of 7 hour turns? We do them everyday to San Juan, St. Thomas, Vail (Eagle), and Phoenix. This month I have the islands. Have fun in Flint.


And, I was a "Master Debator"----or, I guess I debated to the masses, making me a mass debator. You fail to recognize that Delta is doing something huge, making core changes so that we can compete with the likes of you. I am lost by your statement "why don't you leave ours to us." We can't give our opinions on this industry and on your airline? We can't? Sure we can. If you don't like it-----sign off buddy. Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee

It's not about your opinions (and I'm guessing you are speaking for everyone in general, General) on the industry, it's YOUR opinion that keeps popping up. It's YOUR explanations of how Delta is turning the corner, so watchout LCCs, AirTran in particular.

Never said that Delta wasn't doing anything huge, thus, "Master Debator", you would be making false assumptions, in turn, seriously hampering your debate. If you read, I said, "I hope you guys do get your house in order"

Opinions are one thing, flat-out constant debasing of my job, livelihood, and company that I'm proud to be at (except the Elton thing), is going to get a reaction out of me. Sign-off I will not. I'll be here, buddy. You have a good one too.

Bye Bye

 

[CatYaaak]

You really think it was labor's fault? It was our contract and not any mismanagement problems from Fred Reid and Leo Mullin? How about that $2 billion stock buy back right before 9-11? How about Reid advocating all of those RJ purchases? How about the selling of the fuel hedges? How about parking 80 airplanes and allowing LCCs to pick up the slack? Oh yeah, I remember now, I am the one who told them to do that..... Our contract was a FIXED cost----they knew exactly how much we cost at all times---by just looking it up. Then mistakes were made, and we offered a 10% pay cut---almost 2 years ago----which would have helped. They didn't want that, so we went all the way to the edge. We then gave in so that we could try to save what was left, and now we have a chance and a better management team that wants to do well. You can't just blame us----and that seems to be something you are good at Catyaaak. Now, go back to the coach cabin and stop sulking.... I just turned on the APU for you, I hope you like the temps. If not, instead of being like Spooky, tell a stew and she will relay that up to me. I will get right on it sir.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Wow, you're wound pretty tight tonight General! Too bad you can't drink on a short layover. Quite incorrect about me only blaming you, or assigning me the notion I thought the troubles were "the fault of labor". But we all know that labor costs do indeed play a part in the much larger equation as to whether a company's bottom line is black or red. Airlines are no different than any other company, but playing any role seemed to be what everyone was denying back then. This was, of course, absurd.

Thanks for the APU thing, now tell them to make coffee too. Seems like lately during shorter services all they plan on giving you is Coke or some kind of friggin' health juice. First you took away my inflight cigarettes, now you're trying to take away my caffeine as well? How can I possibly "sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight" without at least one of them in hand??? Which reminds me, please tell everyone to drop that "sit back, relax,and enjoy the flight" phrase. It's so overused and predictable that now it's completely meaningless! There are something like 120,000+ words available in the English language.....can't you find some new ones to formulate a new grouping to express a similar idea? By now, I'd even prefer something along the lines of "Good evening Lost Souls, this is Captain Lucifer, and welcome aboard your express elevator to He11". Of course, I'd probably be the only one to notice since nobody ever listens to the PAs anyway since we all know what you're going to say and besides on a smoke-less flight crammed into oompa-loompa chairs with no coffee in sight I'm in He11 anyway....Gold Medallion He11 though it may be.

On second thought, go ahead and turn the APU off. No air combined with the lack of lower body blood circulation just may cause me to pass out completely and I'lll lapse into a sweet state of unknowing, unfeeling bliss until arrival.

 

[smellthejeta]

Well, we just added a second daily flight to HNL nonstop from ATL(2 daily 764s), and we have two daily to St.Thomas, 2 to San Jose Costa Rica, 3 to Cancun, 2 to Nassau, 5 to San Juan, one daily to St. Martaen, and a bunch others that probably can squeeze people in.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey General, please don't equate additional flights with additional SkyMiles seats available. Iventory control can do whatever they want, and it has nothing to do with how many flights a day go to a particular city. Just out of curiosity, do you know how many unclaimed SkyMiles DL has on the books for liabilities?

 

[General Lee]

It's not about your opinions (and I'm guessing you are speaking for everyone in general, General) on the industry, it's YOUR opinion that keeps popping up. It's YOUR explanations of how Delta is turning the corner, so watchout LCCs, AirTran in particular.

Never said that Delta wasn't doing anything huge, thus, "Master Debator", you would be making false assumptions, in turn, seriously hampering your debate. If you read, I said, "I hope you guys do get your house in order"

Opinions are one thing, flat-out constant debasing of my job, livelihood, and company that I'm proud to be at (except the Elton thing), is going to get a reaction out of me. Sign-off I will not. I'll be here, buddy. You have a good one too.

Bye Bye

Please find a quote of mine that puts your pilots down. I usually say good things about what I like about my job. If you think "Have a good one in Flint" is a big put down, then you need to go home and cry to mommy. As far as Delta turning the corner and my way of saying that, I never said you were going to go Chap 11 in the process. I said we are making core changes (Grinstein's words) so that we could compete with you. Read that exact quote in my last post to you. We have to change domestically to compete. You are over reacting big time here. I have not debased your job or livelihood. Please give specific examples. You claimed since I am on here everyday that I must not work. I do, but this month I have 18 days off because I am doing day turns, so I get to get on this board a lot. Don't give me "I have to work....." krap.

Bye Bye---really----Bye Bye--General Lee

(P.S. and the Mass Debator thing was a joke.....get it?)

 

[General Lee]

Hey General, please don't equate additional flights with additional SkyMiles seats available. Iventory control can do whatever they want, and it has nothing to do with how many flights a day go to a particular city. Just out of curiosity, do you know how many unclaimed SkyMiles DL has on the books for liabilities?

Not true. If you think about it, HNL is one of the most popular frequent flyer destinations. If you only HAD one flight, and now you have two, there are definitely some seats sectioned off for freq. flyer awards. At least more than if you only had one flight. You can't argue with that point, right?


And, I don't know about your second question. I do know that we have 25 million Skymiles members.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Wow, you're wound pretty tight tonight General! Too bad you can't drink on a short layover. Quite incorrect about me only blaming you, or assigning me the notion I thought the troubles were "the fault of labor". But we all know that labor costs do indeed play a part in the much larger equation as to whether a company's bottom line is black or red. Airlines are no different than any other company, but playing any role seemed to be what everyone was denying back then. This was, of course, absurd.

Thanks for the APU thing, now tell them to make coffee too. Seems like lately during shorter services all they plan on giving you is Coke or some kind of friggin' health juice. First you took away my inflight cigarettes, now you're trying to take away my caffeine as well? How can I possibly "sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight" without at least one of them in hand??? Which reminds me, please tell everyone to drop that "sit back, relax,and enjoy the flight" phrase. It's so overused and predictable that now it's completely meaningless! There are something like 120,000+ words available in the English language.....can't you find some new ones to formulate a new grouping to express a similar idea? By now, I'd even prefer something along the lines of "Good evening Lost Souls, this is Captain Lucifer, and welcome aboard your express elevator to He11". Of course, I'd probably be the only one to notice since nobody ever listens to the PAs anyway since we all know what you're going to say and besides on a smoke-less flight crammed into oompa-loompa chairs with no coffee in sight I'm in He11 anyway....Gold Medallion He11 though it may be.

On second thought, go ahead and turn the APU off. No air combined with the lack of lower body blood circulation just may cause me to pass out completely and I'lll lapse into a sweet state of unknowing, unfeeling bliss until arrival.

Come on, it really can't be that bad. Have you tried the Business Elite seats over to Europe? We also fly those on transcons to LA, SLC, and SFO. Even our first class service on domestic is pretty good. And, with Simplifares, you and your boss can now afford a cheap one way first class ticket ---no more than $599 walk up, one way. Better than the $2000 ticket before. We are selling those seats out though pretty quick----so go quickly to our web site.

And, if you need an extra Coke or something, ask the stew---she will get it for you. I think you are referring to the "Fast Break Service" on the shorter flights, with CranApple, Lemonade, or Coke/Sprite drinks. If you want something different, then ask nicely and I bet you will get what you want....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CatYaaak]

And, if you need an extra Coke or something, ask the stew---she will get it for you. I think you are referring to the "Fast Break Service" on the shorter flights, with CranApple, Lemonade, or Coke/Sprite drinks. If you want something different, then ask nicely and I bet you will get what you want....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Coffee dammmiit, Coffee!!! Coffee shouldn't have to be a special request! For that part of the planet Earth which isn't Georgia, Mormons, or 3 year-olds, coffee is THE morning drink of choice and for at least half the day, sometimes more. Not Coke, not juicy-juice...coffee. 20 years ago living in Atlanta I remember Coca Cola airing TV ads...something along the lines of "Have a Coke in the morning" for breakfast, which went over about as well as grits in Toronto.

There are some things in life you don't @#$# with. Our preferred fluids for consumption aren't as fluid as Paris fashion or Madonna's sexuality, and the world's centuries-old taste for coffee didn't suddenly change when she played Tonsil Hockey with Brittany. Ushering in the New Millenium had no effect, and yet you guys think you can social-engineer away our love for The Bean or perhaps by denying us this pleasure there's a chance Jennifer and Brad will get back together?....it ain't happenin'! Are you mint julep drinkers down there listening?; There simply is NO substitute!

As a warning to others who think they have a "better idea"....the health-Nazi busybodies who hate to see anyone consuming yummy things, dickweed beancounters who love the fact that Cranapple is cheaper than Folger's, or Delta management dweebs taking kickbacks from your fellow Atlanteans over at Coca Cola.....the "genius" that came up with your no-coffee policy needs to have a boiling Columbian blend from an old-fashioned percolator poured into his ears, and then taken out and staked spread-eagled to the yellow line somewhere along Taxiway Dixie.

As a Gold memeber, this is just a suggestion. However, when I reach Platinum Medallion-thingy-whatever status, I'll expect my wishes to be carried out poste haste... along with a free, good-anytime First Class ticket for my convenience and a guarantee that a cup-'o-joe will be waiting in my seat, thus enabling me to travel in a satisfactory condition for the happy purpose of sprinkling used coffee grounds from the flight over his gravesite just prior to my dance.

Okay, I've just re-read what I've written, and maybe that part about the boiling java in the ears was a tad medieval, but I haven't had my first cup yet this morning so gimme a break.

 

[freightdogfred]

Come on, it really can't be that bad. Have you tried the Business Elite seats over to Europe? We also fly those on transcons to LA, SLC, and SFO. Even our first class service on domestic is pretty good. And, with Simplifares, you and your boss can now afford a cheap one way first class ticket ---no more than $599 walk up, one way. Better than the $2000 ticket before. We are selling those seats out though pretty quick----so go quickly to our web site.




Bye Bye--General Lee

Well General, I don't mean to piss in your wheaties but a quick check of "Simplifares" shows a R/T walk-up STT-ATL for 1508.65$

Are the Delta guys gonna be joining CASS in the near future?

 

[General Lee]

Well General, I don't mean to piss in your wheaties but a quick check of "Simplifares" shows a R/T walk-up STT-ATL for 1508.65$

Are the Delta guys gonna be joining CASS in the near future?

Simplifares is for fares in the 48 contiguous states. You need to read the fine print in those ads. We don't need to have Simplifares to STT because no LCCs fly there. So, quit pissing on your own Wheaties----milk tastes better. CASS will be implemented no later than Aug of 2005.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Coffee dammmiit, Coffee!!! Coffee shouldn't have to be a special request! For that part of the planet Earth which isn't Georgia, Mormons, or 3 year-olds, coffee is THE morning drink of choice and for at least half the day, sometimes more. Not Coke, not juicy-juice...coffee. 20 years ago living in Atlanta I remember Coca Cola airing TV ads...something along the lines of "Have a Coke in the morning" for breakfast, which went over about as well as grits in Toronto.

There are some things in life you don't @#$# with. Our preferred fluids for consumption aren't as fluid as Paris fashion or Madonna's sexuality, and the world's centuries-old taste for coffee didn't suddenly change when she played Tonsil Hockey with Brittany. Ushering in the New Millenium had no effect, and yet you guys think you can social-engineer away our love for The Bean or perhaps by denying us this pleasure there's a chance Jennifer and Brad will get back together?....it ain't happenin'! Are you mint julep drinkers down there listening?; There simply is NO substitute!

As a warning to others who think they have a "better idea"....the health-Nazi busybodies who hate to see anyone consuming yummy things, dickweed beancounters who love the fact that Cranapple is cheaper than Folger's, or Delta management dweebs taking kickbacks from your fellow Atlanteans over at Coca Cola.....the "genius" that came up with your no-coffee policy needs to have a boiling Columbian blend from an old-fashioned percolator poured into his ears, and then taken out and staked spread-eagled to the yellow line somewhere along Taxiway Dixie.

As a Gold memeber, this is just a suggestion. However, when I reach Platinum Medallion-thingy-whatever status, I'll expect my wishes to be carried out poste haste... along with a free, good-anytime First Class ticket for my convenience and a guarantee that a cup-'o-joe will be waiting in my seat, thus enabling me to travel in a satisfactory condition for the happy purpose of sprinkling used coffee grounds from the flight over his gravesite just prior to my dance.

Okay, I've just re-read what I've written, and maybe that part about the boiling java in the ears was a tad medieval, but I haven't had my first cup yet this morning so gimme a break.

You don't want them to spill coffee on their "Fast Break" service, do you? Think of the lawsuits if our stews were running around the cabin (fast) with coffee pots and they spilled on everyone! But, as a Gold (almost a Platinum) you are entitled to coffee whenever you want. You can also ask for sport scores, and I will do my best a cruise to find out what I can.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CatYaaak]

You don't want them to spill coffee on their "Fast Break" service, do you? Think of the lawsuits if our stews were running around the cabin (fast) with coffee pots and they spilled on everyone! But, as a Gold (almost a Platinum) you are entitled to coffee whenever you want. You can also ask for sport scores, and I will do my best a cruise to find out what I can.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I can't feel my lower extremities on your flights, so spilled coffee won't hurt me. And the only sport I care about is pro hockey, so you're no help this season. And my passion and love for hockey is only exceeded by my unapologetic hatred for any level of basketball but especially college, so please refrain from disturbing me by announcing any of those stupid scores even if a Platinum member wants to hear them because even though I'm only Gold for now if you do I'll complain about your landings.

 

[General Lee]

I can't feel my lower extremities on your flights, so spilled coffee won't hurt me. And the only sport I care about is pro hockey, so you're no help this season. And my passion and love for hockey is only exceeded by my unapologetic hatred for any level of basketball but especially college, so please refrain from disturbing me by announcing any of those stupid scores even if a Platinum member wants to hear them because even though I'm only Gold for now if you do I'll complain about your landings.

Not my landings......unfortunately most of them are autolands...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[smellthejeta]

Not true. If you think about it, HNL is one of the most popular frequent flyer destinations. If you only HAD one flight, and now you have two, there are definitely some seats sectioned off for freq. flyer awards. At least more than if you only had one flight. You can't argue with that point, right?


And, I don't know about your second question. I do know that we have 25 million Skymiles members.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General, SkyMiles redemption is a big game. As simple as it is to say with more flights, there are more FF seats available, well, that is too simple. Exactly how many seats are available on any given flight is propietary information that neither you nor I have. Inventory control opens and closes award availability at will and those that try to redeem them anywhere complain a lot about availability. Therefore, to say that with more flights comes more seats works if you allocate a hard number of seats per flight. They don't. Availability is fluid, and with that I would say that just because a flight exists does not mean a flight exists with FF seats on it. So, on that basis, I will argue your point.

Am I trying to argue technalities? Am I even trying to argue that you're wrong or I'm right? Absolutely not. I am only trying to point out that it is not easy to redeem Skymiles awards at the reduced level, and that I feel DL could improve their customer image if they made the FF seats less of a hassle to redeem ala WN.

 

[MiniMeGotWings]

Reward Travel

Not true. If you think about it, HNL is one of the most popular frequent flyer destinations. If you only HAD one flight, and now you have two, there are definitely some seats sectioned off for freq. flyer awards. At least more than if you only had one flight. You can't argue with that point, right?


And, I don't know about your second question. I do know that we have 25 million Skymiles members.


Bye Bye--General Lee

hey gl, my girl, a platinum medallion member just visited hawaii on your new non-stop flight out of atl. i say "just" visited because it was the first flight available on which she could use her miles since november 15th!!!! the funny part is, using dlnet, we could see that on some flights, there were as many as 135 open seats. wouldn't it be smart to open those up for award travel at least a week before the flight to maybe get some of those unused miles off of the books? how many people who actually purchase tickets wait until the last week to plan and buy tickets for their hawaii vacation??? so i guess yes, i am arguing with your point.

mm

p.s. i just realized that i used to consider delta my "home town airline"... now i tell folks its airtran. why do you think that is?

 

[Steeler Fan]

p.s. i just realized that i used to consider delta my "home town airline"... now i tell folks its airtran. why do you think that is?

The most interesting thing that General said earlier was that

"Simplifares is for fares in the 48 contiguous states. You need to read the fine print in those ads. We don't need to have Simplifares to STT because no LCCs fly there. So, quit pissing on your own Wheaties----milk tastes better.

Bye Bye--General Lee"


General is making the argument himself. Without LCC competition, Delta will keep the prices way high in those markets, but he still wants DL to get credit for Simplifares.

Do any of the Simplifares beat the $ that AirTran is charging for the same citypair? Just curious.

 

[General Lee]

hey gl, my girl, a platinum medallion member just visited hawaii on your new non-stop flight out of atl. i say "just" visited because it was the first flight available on which she could use her miles since november 15th!!!! the funny part is, using dlnet, we could see that on some flights, there were as many as 135 open seats. wouldn't it be smart to open those up for award travel at least a week before the flight to maybe get some of those unused miles off of the books? how many people who actually purchase tickets wait until the last week to plan and buy tickets for their hawaii vacation??? so i guess yes, i am arguing with your point.

mm

p.s. i just realized that i used to consider delta my "home town airline"... now i tell folks its airtran. why do you think that is?

Minime,


Enjoy flying Airtran to Honolulu. If you have a complaint, address it to the Skymiles people, they are a phone call away. They probably would write down your faults with our program and send them to the people in charge. I just drive the bus.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The most interesting thing that General said earlier was that

"Simplifares is for fares in the 48 contiguous states. You need to read the fine print in those ads. We don't need to have Simplifares to STT because no LCCs fly there. So, quit pissing on your own Wheaties----milk tastes better.

Bye Bye--General Lee"


General is making the argument himself. Without LCC competition, Delta will keep the prices way high in those markets, but he still wants DL to get credit for Simplifares.

Do any of the Simplifares beat the $ that AirTran is charging for the same citypair? Just curious.

I don't make up the rules. I just read the fine print. We have domestic competition and we created a program to combat our competition. Why don't we just give away all the seats and make you happy? This is a business, and someday I hope we make money again, but I guess you want us to slash fares everywhere. LOL. We didn't slash fares everywhere, but we did loosen the rules for everyone---like no Sat night stay, lowered the change fee for everyone, etc. We did make it better for people, but mainly the walkup fares. Those were slashed, and that is where we will attract Airtran passengers that didn't want the $2000 one way same day tickets. So, everyone domestically will win---because now the highest one way same day ticket anywhere inside the USA is $499 for coach, $599 for first. Get it?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[zkmayo]

The biggest complaint I routinely hear from customers is that for 150 people on any given flight, you have 150 people that probably paid 150 different fares for the same flight. While DALs Simplifares are an attempt to remedy this and compete with LCCs, there is still too much fine print. If you buy a ticket on SW or JB, chances are that there are only 5 fares that were paid. On DAL you still have all the other website clearinghouse prices,etc. As far as not having the new fare structure on intl, dal doesnt do it obviously bc they dont have to bc of no LCC competition. Essentially theyve only changed bc the mkt says theyve had to. They were smart to make the change but being in this business it kind of bothers me the spin DAL has put on it as if they thought of it.

this thread, btw, is officially hijacked...