Indy and Airtran in spitting match....

[brokea$$pilot]

Dude Airtran Sucks And The Koolaid Will Wear Off Soon When Delta Gets Its Sh!t Together. What A Call Sign Citrus Or Val U Jet Or Whatever

 

[FLB717]

GL, how did you know I was in FNT? My flight did make money though. Come on GL lighten up a little.

Brokea$$piot, of course you are, hows that sup freight job? I dont drink the Kool-Aid, no ones job is safe ever, not yours, mine or GL's.

I hope DAL gets it stuff together, if they competed with smarts it would benifit us all.

 

[jetdawg]

I love the way no one bit on brokea$$es first attempt to start a fire so he had to try again. Hopefully the posters here will see the stupiudity in the pi$$ poor attempts on firestarters.

Post another stupid thread Pi$$breaker (A.K.A. I am the firestarter)

 

[House_X]

We (LLC's) are like a bunch of daaaawgs fighting for the scraps...something's got to give...not enough pie for everyone.

 

[General Lee]

GL, how did you know I was in FNT? My flight did make money though. Come on GL lighten up a little.

Brokea$$piot, of course you are, hows that sup freight job? I dont drink the Kool-Aid, no ones job is safe ever, not yours, mine or GL's.

I hope DAL gets it stuff together, if they competed with smarts it would benifit us all.

Congrats on your flight making money. Now that we (DL labor) gave up $2.3 billion a year in concessions (along with lease payment cuts) and cut a money losing RJ hub, I think we will have a better chance. Fuel prices are currently hurting everyone except Southwest, and that is bad for you and me. Let's hope it goes down to a manageable level and we all see some better profits or at least some profits...... And, you can still jump to Honolulu with us.

Bye Bye--General Lee


PS---When you said we should compete smartly, I think we are:


Airline revenue ascends
Industry edges past estimates despite lower business fares

11:23 PM CST on Wednesday, February 23, 2005
By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News

Airline industry revenue slightly edged Wall Street's expectations in January, in yet another sign that lower business fares may not be as harmful to carriers as some feared.

Revenue earned for each seat mile flown rose 1.6 percent compared with January 2004, the Air Transport Association reported.

Analysts had expected revenue to be flat or slightly above the year-earlier levels.

"Perhaps mimicking the domestic pricing philosophy of low-cost carriers and improving the value proposition of business travel though reasonable fares isn't as stupid as recently suggested by one airline management," said Jamie Baker of J.P. Morgan Chase in a research note Wednesday.

Mr. Baker was referring to remarks from Continental Airlines Inc. executives last week, criticizing Delta Air Lines Inc. for slashing many of its most profitable fares in a bid to drive up traffic.

Carriers including American Airlines Inc. matched Delta's move in most major business markets, leading many executives and analysts to fear that several billion dollars of ticket revenue would evaporate this year.

The bad news was that average fares domestically dropped 6.8 percent over last year as fierce competition continued to drive prices down.

Despite record traffic for many airlines, higher fuel prices and lower fares mean all those full planes are continuing to fly at a loss.



That is the scary part.

 

[BSkin]

I thought it was quite funny. Isn't that great when you can laugh by yourself at the computer? Maybe that is kinda sad.....

It is sad, it's very sad, when you probably do it every day and/or night with your Daisy Dukes on. Do you actually have time to fly while doing all your posts? $2.3 billion in labor cuts...blah, blah, blah,...good rip on AirTran...blah, blah, blah,...exotic destinations!...blah, blah, blah,...we offer better service than AirTran...blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

I hope you guys do get your house in order, why don't you leave ours to us!

You have proven your skills as a writer, thinker, and researcher, you never back down and never let someone get the last word. All are admirable qualities should you ever want to be in mgmnt. Debate team in high school I imagine. I, on the other hand, come on these posts and only stick my nose (posts) into threads where I belong!

So here I am -- rip away! -- Only I work tomorrow!

 

[BSkin]

I know you're going for "Most Posted Member" so there you go!

 

[CatYaaak]

Congrats on your flight making money. Now that we (DL labor) gave up $2.3 billion a year in concessions (along with lease payment cuts) and cut a money losing RJ hub, I think we will have a better chance.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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You know it's funny....wasn't too long ago that lots of Delta dudes were justifying their salaries in the face of huge company losses by stating that pilot salaries had absolutely nothing to do with company profits using some weird secret formula known only to themselves. Funny how things change so quickly!

Hey General, upon reading this thread it reminded me to look up my Skymiles FF account and guess what?...im solidly in the Gold Medallion and almost a Platinum member thingy. The bad news, of course, is that to achieve it I've had to endure flying all those miles on you. The good news, however, is that since I'm one of your better customers, you have to be nice to me.

Now with that in mind, I'm ordering you to fire up that APU and get the airflow going anytime I'm on one of your planes, and before I feel the need to complain. My comfort is worth the few $$s you'll spend in fuel.

heh heh

 

[General Lee]

It is sad, it's very sad, when you probably do it every day and/or night with your Daisy Dukes on. Do you actually have time to fly while doing all your posts? $2.3 billion in labor cuts...blah, blah, blah,...good rip on AirTran...blah, blah, blah,...exotic destinations!...blah, blah, blah,...we offer better service than AirTran...blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

I hope you guys do get your house in order, why don't you leave ours to us!

You have proven your skills as a writer, thinker, and researcher, you never back down and never let someone get the last word. All are admirable qualities should you ever want to be in mgmnt. Debate team in high school I imagine. I, on the other hand, come on these posts and only stick my nose (posts) into threads where I belong!

So here I am -- rip away! -- Only I work tomorrow!

And I don't work? Ever heard of 7 hour turns? We do them everyday to San Juan, St. Thomas, Vail (Eagle), Mexico City, and Phoenix. This month I have the islands. Have fun in Flint.


And, I was a "Master Debator"----or, I guess I debated to the masses, making me a mass debator. You fail to recognize that Delta is doing something huge, making core changes so that we can compete with the likes of you. I am lost by your statement "why don't you leave ours to us." We can't give our opinions on this industry and on your airline? We can't? Sure we can. If you don't like it-----sign off buddy. Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You know it's funny....wasn't too long ago that lots of Delta dudes were justifying their salaries in the face of huge company losses by stating that pilot salaries had absolutely nothing to do with company profits using some weird secret formula known only to themselves. Funny how things change so quickly!

Hey General, upon reading this thread it reminded me to look up my Skymiles FF account and guess what?...im solidly in the Gold Medallion and almost a Platinum member thingy. The bad news, of course, is that to achieve it I've had to endure flying all those miles on you. The good news, however, is that since I'm one of your better customers, you have to be nice to me.

Now with that in mind, I'm ordering you to fire up that APU and get the airflow going anytime I'm on one of your planes, and before I feel the need to complain. My comfort is worth the few $$s you'll spend in fuel.

heh heh

You really think it was labor's fault? It was our contract and not any mismanagement problems from Fred Reid and Leo Mullin? How about that $2 billion stock buy back right before 9-11? How about Reid advocating all of those RJ purchases? How about the selling of the fuel hedges? How about parking 80 airplanes and allowing LCCs to pick up the slack? Oh yeah, I remember now, I am the one who told them to do that..... Our contract was a FIXED cost----they knew exactly how much we cost at all times---by just looking it up. Then mistakes were made, and we offered a 10% pay cut---almost 2 years ago----which would have helped. They didn't want that, so we went all the way to the edge. We then gave in so that we could try to save what was left, and now we have a chance and a better management team that wants to do well. You can't just blame us----and that seems to be something you are good at Catyaaak. Now, go back to the coach cabin and stop sulking.... I just turned on the APU for you, I hope you like the temps. If not, instead of being like Spooky, tell a stew and she will relay that up to me. I will get right on it sir.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BSkin]

And I don't work? Ever heard of 7 hour turns? We do them everyday to San Juan, St. Thomas, Vail (Eagle), and Phoenix. This month I have the islands. Have fun in Flint.


And, I was a "Master Debator"----or, I guess I debated to the masses, making me a mass debator. You fail to recognize that Delta is doing something huge, making core changes so that we can compete with the likes of you. I am lost by your statement "why don't you leave ours to us." We can't give our opinions on this industry and on your airline? We can't? Sure we can. If you don't like it-----sign off buddy. Have a great one.


Bye Bye--General Lee

It's not about your opinions (and I'm guessing you are speaking for everyone in general, General) on the industry, it's YOUR opinion that keeps popping up. It's YOUR explanations of how Delta is turning the corner, so watchout LCCs, AirTran in particular.

Never said that Delta wasn't doing anything huge, thus, "Master Debator", you would be making false assumptions, in turn, seriously hampering your debate. If you read, I said, "I hope you guys do get your house in order"

Opinions are one thing, flat-out constant debasing of my job, livelihood, and company that I'm proud to be at (except the Elton thing), is going to get a reaction out of me. Sign-off I will not. I'll be here, buddy. You have a good one too.

Bye Bye

 

[CatYaaak]

You really think it was labor's fault? It was our contract and not any mismanagement problems from Fred Reid and Leo Mullin? How about that $2 billion stock buy back right before 9-11? How about Reid advocating all of those RJ purchases? How about the selling of the fuel hedges? How about parking 80 airplanes and allowing LCCs to pick up the slack? Oh yeah, I remember now, I am the one who told them to do that..... Our contract was a FIXED cost----they knew exactly how much we cost at all times---by just looking it up. Then mistakes were made, and we offered a 10% pay cut---almost 2 years ago----which would have helped. They didn't want that, so we went all the way to the edge. We then gave in so that we could try to save what was left, and now we have a chance and a better management team that wants to do well. You can't just blame us----and that seems to be something you are good at Catyaaak. Now, go back to the coach cabin and stop sulking.... I just turned on the APU for you, I hope you like the temps. If not, instead of being like Spooky, tell a stew and she will relay that up to me. I will get right on it sir.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Wow, you're wound pretty tight tonight General! Too bad you can't drink on a short layover. Quite incorrect about me only blaming you, or assigning me the notion I thought the troubles were "the fault of labor". But we all know that labor costs do indeed play a part in the much larger equation as to whether a company's bottom line is black or red. Airlines are no different than any other company, but playing any role seemed to be what everyone was denying back then. This was, of course, absurd.

Thanks for the APU thing, now tell them to make coffee too. Seems like lately during shorter services all they plan on giving you is Coke or some kind of friggin' health juice. First you took away my inflight cigarettes, now you're trying to take away my caffeine as well? How can I possibly "sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight" without at least one of them in hand??? Which reminds me, please tell everyone to drop that "sit back, relax,and enjoy the flight" phrase. It's so overused and predictable that now it's completely meaningless! There are something like 120,000+ words available in the English language.....can't you find some new ones to formulate a new grouping to express a similar idea? By now, I'd even prefer something along the lines of "Good evening Lost Souls, this is Captain Lucifer, and welcome aboard your express elevator to He11". Of course, I'd probably be the only one to notice since nobody ever listens to the PAs anyway since we all know what you're going to say and besides on a smoke-less flight crammed into oompa-loompa chairs with no coffee in sight I'm in He11 anyway....Gold Medallion He11 though it may be.

On second thought, go ahead and turn the APU off. No air combined with the lack of lower body blood circulation just may cause me to pass out completely and I'lll lapse into a sweet state of unknowing, unfeeling bliss until arrival.

 

[smellthejeta]

Well, we just added a second daily flight to HNL nonstop from ATL(2 daily 764s), and we have two daily to St.Thomas, 2 to San Jose Costa Rica, 3 to Cancun, 2 to Nassau, 5 to San Juan, one daily to St. Martaen, and a bunch others that probably can squeeze people in.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey General, please don't equate additional flights with additional SkyMiles seats available. Iventory control can do whatever they want, and it has nothing to do with how many flights a day go to a particular city. Just out of curiosity, do you know how many unclaimed SkyMiles DL has on the books for liabilities?

 

[General Lee]

It's not about your opinions (and I'm guessing you are speaking for everyone in general, General) on the industry, it's YOUR opinion that keeps popping up. It's YOUR explanations of how Delta is turning the corner, so watchout LCCs, AirTran in particular.

Never said that Delta wasn't doing anything huge, thus, "Master Debator", you would be making false assumptions, in turn, seriously hampering your debate. If you read, I said, "I hope you guys do get your house in order"

Opinions are one thing, flat-out constant debasing of my job, livelihood, and company that I'm proud to be at (except the Elton thing), is going to get a reaction out of me. Sign-off I will not. I'll be here, buddy. You have a good one too.

Bye Bye

Please find a quote of mine that puts your pilots down. I usually say good things about what I like about my job. If you think "Have a good one in Flint" is a big put down, then you need to go home and cry to mommy. As far as Delta turning the corner and my way of saying that, I never said you were going to go Chap 11 in the process. I said we are making core changes (Grinstein's words) so that we could compete with you. Read that exact quote in my last post to you. We have to change domestically to compete. You are over reacting big time here. I have not debased your job or livelihood. Please give specific examples. You claimed since I am on here everyday that I must not work. I do, but this month I have 18 days off because I am doing day turns, so I get to get on this board a lot. Don't give me "I have to work....." krap.

Bye Bye---really----Bye Bye--General Lee

(P.S. and the Mass Debator thing was a joke.....get it?)

 

[General Lee]

Hey General, please don't equate additional flights with additional SkyMiles seats available. Iventory control can do whatever they want, and it has nothing to do with how many flights a day go to a particular city. Just out of curiosity, do you know how many unclaimed SkyMiles DL has on the books for liabilities?

Not true. If you think about it, HNL is one of the most popular frequent flyer destinations. If you only HAD one flight, and now you have two, there are definitely some seats sectioned off for freq. flyer awards. At least more than if you only had one flight. You can't argue with that point, right?


And, I don't know about your second question. I do know that we have 25 million Skymiles members.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Wow, you're wound pretty tight tonight General! Too bad you can't drink on a short layover. Quite incorrect about me only blaming you, or assigning me the notion I thought the troubles were "the fault of labor". But we all know that labor costs do indeed play a part in the much larger equation as to whether a company's bottom line is black or red. Airlines are no different than any other company, but playing any role seemed to be what everyone was denying back then. This was, of course, absurd.

Thanks for the APU thing, now tell them to make coffee too. Seems like lately during shorter services all they plan on giving you is Coke or some kind of friggin' health juice. First you took away my inflight cigarettes, now you're trying to take away my caffeine as well? How can I possibly "sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight" without at least one of them in hand??? Which reminds me, please tell everyone to drop that "sit back, relax,and enjoy the flight" phrase. It's so overused and predictable that now it's completely meaningless! There are something like 120,000+ words available in the English language.....can't you find some new ones to formulate a new grouping to express a similar idea? By now, I'd even prefer something along the lines of "Good evening Lost Souls, this is Captain Lucifer, and welcome aboard your express elevator to He11". Of course, I'd probably be the only one to notice since nobody ever listens to the PAs anyway since we all know what you're going to say and besides on a smoke-less flight crammed into oompa-loompa chairs with no coffee in sight I'm in He11 anyway....Gold Medallion He11 though it may be.

On second thought, go ahead and turn the APU off. No air combined with the lack of lower body blood circulation just may cause me to pass out completely and I'lll lapse into a sweet state of unknowing, unfeeling bliss until arrival.

Come on, it really can't be that bad. Have you tried the Business Elite seats over to Europe? We also fly those on transcons to LA, SLC, and SFO. Even our first class service on domestic is pretty good. And, with Simplifares, you and your boss can now afford a cheap one way first class ticket ---no more than $599 walk up, one way. Better than the $2000 ticket before. We are selling those seats out though pretty quick----so go quickly to our web site.

And, if you need an extra Coke or something, ask the stew---she will get it for you. I think you are referring to the "Fast Break Service" on the shorter flights, with CranApple, Lemonade, or Coke/Sprite drinks. If you want something different, then ask nicely and I bet you will get what you want....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CatYaaak]

And, if you need an extra Coke or something, ask the stew---she will get it for you. I think you are referring to the "Fast Break Service" on the shorter flights, with CranApple, Lemonade, or Coke/Sprite drinks. If you want something different, then ask nicely and I bet you will get what you want....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Coffee dammmiit, Coffee!!! Coffee shouldn't have to be a special request! For that part of the planet Earth which isn't Georgia, Mormons, or 3 year-olds, coffee is THE morning drink of choice and for at least half the day, sometimes more. Not Coke, not juicy-juice...coffee. 20 years ago living in Atlanta I remember Coca Cola airing TV ads...something along the lines of "Have a Coke in the morning" for breakfast, which went over about as well as grits in Toronto.

There are some things in life you don't @#$# with. Our preferred fluids for consumption aren't as fluid as Paris fashion or Madonna's sexuality, and the world's centuries-old taste for coffee didn't suddenly change when she played Tonsil Hockey with Brittany. Ushering in the New Millenium had no effect, and yet you guys think you can social-engineer away our love for The Bean or perhaps by denying us this pleasure there's a chance Jennifer and Brad will get back together?....it ain't happenin'! Are you mint julep drinkers down there listening?; There simply is NO substitute!

As a warning to others who think they have a "better idea"....the health-Nazi busybodies who hate to see anyone consuming yummy things, dickweed beancounters who love the fact that Cranapple is cheaper than Folger's, or Delta management dweebs taking kickbacks from your fellow Atlanteans over at Coca Cola.....the "genius" that came up with your no-coffee policy needs to have a boiling Columbian blend from an old-fashioned percolator poured into his ears, and then taken out and staked spread-eagled to the yellow line somewhere along Taxiway Dixie.

As a Gold memeber, this is just a suggestion. However, when I reach Platinum Medallion-thingy-whatever status, I'll expect my wishes to be carried out poste haste... along with a free, good-anytime First Class ticket for my convenience and a guarantee that a cup-'o-joe will be waiting in my seat, thus enabling me to travel in a satisfactory condition for the happy purpose of sprinkling used coffee grounds from the flight over his gravesite just prior to my dance.

Okay, I've just re-read what I've written, and maybe that part about the boiling java in the ears was a tad medieval, but I haven't had my first cup yet this morning so gimme a break.

 

[freightdogfred]

Come on, it really can't be that bad. Have you tried the Business Elite seats over to Europe? We also fly those on transcons to LA, SLC, and SFO. Even our first class service on domestic is pretty good. And, with Simplifares, you and your boss can now afford a cheap one way first class ticket ---no more than $599 walk up, one way. Better than the $2000 ticket before. We are selling those seats out though pretty quick----so go quickly to our web site.




Bye Bye--General Lee

Well General, I don't mean to piss in your wheaties but a quick check of "Simplifares" shows a R/T walk-up STT-ATL for 1508.65$

Are the Delta guys gonna be joining CASS in the near future?

 

[General Lee]

Well General, I don't mean to piss in your wheaties but a quick check of "Simplifares" shows a R/T walk-up STT-ATL for 1508.65$

Are the Delta guys gonna be joining CASS in the near future?

Simplifares is for fares in the 48 contiguous states. You need to read the fine print in those ads. We don't need to have Simplifares to STT because no LCCs fly there. So, quit pissing on your own Wheaties----milk tastes better. CASS will be implemented no later than Aug of 2005.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Coffee dammmiit, Coffee!!! Coffee shouldn't have to be a special request! For that part of the planet Earth which isn't Georgia, Mormons, or 3 year-olds, coffee is THE morning drink of choice and for at least half the day, sometimes more. Not Coke, not juicy-juice...coffee. 20 years ago living in Atlanta I remember Coca Cola airing TV ads...something along the lines of "Have a Coke in the morning" for breakfast, which went over about as well as grits in Toronto.

There are some things in life you don't @#$# with. Our preferred fluids for consumption aren't as fluid as Paris fashion or Madonna's sexuality, and the world's centuries-old taste for coffee didn't suddenly change when she played Tonsil Hockey with Brittany. Ushering in the New Millenium had no effect, and yet you guys think you can social-engineer away our love for The Bean or perhaps by denying us this pleasure there's a chance Jennifer and Brad will get back together?....it ain't happenin'! Are you mint julep drinkers down there listening?; There simply is NO substitute!

As a warning to others who think they have a "better idea"....the health-Nazi busybodies who hate to see anyone consuming yummy things, dickweed beancounters who love the fact that Cranapple is cheaper than Folger's, or Delta management dweebs taking kickbacks from your fellow Atlanteans over at Coca Cola.....the "genius" that came up with your no-coffee policy needs to have a boiling Columbian blend from an old-fashioned percolator poured into his ears, and then taken out and staked spread-eagled to the yellow line somewhere along Taxiway Dixie.

As a Gold memeber, this is just a suggestion. However, when I reach Platinum Medallion-thingy-whatever status, I'll expect my wishes to be carried out poste haste... along with a free, good-anytime First Class ticket for my convenience and a guarantee that a cup-'o-joe will be waiting in my seat, thus enabling me to travel in a satisfactory condition for the happy purpose of sprinkling used coffee grounds from the flight over his gravesite just prior to my dance.

Okay, I've just re-read what I've written, and maybe that part about the boiling java in the ears was a tad medieval, but I haven't had my first cup yet this morning so gimme a break.

You don't want them to spill coffee on their "Fast Break" service, do you? Think of the lawsuits if our stews were running around the cabin (fast) with coffee pots and they spilled on everyone! But, as a Gold (almost a Platinum) you are entitled to coffee whenever you want. You can also ask for sport scores, and I will do my best a cruise to find out what I can.


Bye Bye--General Lee