Indy Air - 5/19 -- 35 Cities

[T-Bags]

"First, all those delays and complaints are from our ORD flights. Ever go to ORD? It is pretty busy, and to top it all UAL controls the arrivals for their code there. They have been delaying & cancelling our flights to make theirs run smoother."

Then an even cursory look at the stats would have revealed that FLOW DELAYS were higher at UAL, AMR, DAL and NWA. so, YES, I'm sure ACA WAS delayed occasionally by "flow" and the bad ole UAL, but your delays were LESS than the others who solidly spanked your on-time stats.

But what did that have to do with the lost bags and complaints? And FWIW, your 16.5 cents a mile doesn't include weight restricted seats.

"As for commisions: Zip, nada, zilch. You have to go to our web site to book: www.flyi.com

We will also take your call at 800-fly-flyi but that will cost you $5 extra for your ticket. We will tell you that right up front. It costs us about 5 cents to use our web site."

LOL!!! so everybody in America will jump on the internet, go to "flyI" and book the tickets? Hmm. DYI that less than 20% of americans have high-speed internet access, and that the rate is LOWER in some of the more rural cities that you think will be the bread and butter. But how will people think to go to "flyi" on the net? Will it come to them in a dream? Or will you have to ADVERTISE. Or will pax go to "travelocity" Will you pay a fee to go there? But yeah, charging for the phone call will work to
. I'm sure a phone call to you will be the first choice of the locals. If it wasn't for the damage this will do to the industry during Flyi's slide to oblivion, it would be down right comical.

 

[T-Bags]

"We are betting the fine folks in northern VA will pay about $20 to avoid that mess."

You think folks will pay $20 MORE to fly an RJ?! YGTBSM!! But, yeah, the market says they will

"Our fares will make money for us with a reasonable load factor. Everybody is matching us, but are they going to make any money doing so?"

Lets review, your costs are over 16 cents per ASM NOT counting advertising and cost of sales, and the competition is BELOW 10 cents a mile... Yet you will make money at the same fares the competition will LOSE money at. And the competition will have high yield traffic connecting to overseas markets. PT Barnum was right. What day were you born on?

"Come see us later this summer."

So that you can bump me when the temp gets above 80 degrees and so that my luggage can disappear? No thanks.

 

[Carl_Everett]

LOL!!! so everybody in America will jump on the internet, go to "flyI" and book the tickets? Hmm. DYI that less than 20% of americans have high-speed internet access, and that the rate is LOWER in some of the more rural cities that you think will be the bread and butter. But how will people think to go to "flyi" on the net? Will it come to them in a dream? Or will you have to ADVERTISE. Or will pax go to "travelocity" Will you pay a fee to go there? But yeah, charging for the phone call will work to
. I'm sure a phone call to you will be the first choice of the locals. If it wasn't for the damage this will do to the industry during Flyi's slide to oblivion, it would be down right comical.

T-Bags,

You are right, FLYI won't sell any tickets because customers will have to use the internet or call the 800 number that would cost them $5 more to book.

JET-BLUE, SOUTHWEST, AIR-TRAN, Shut your doors now! T-Bags said this sales model doesn't work.

While we are at it, DELL, GATEWAY, and every other internet retailer better prepare for CH11. People don't like using the internet to shop for bargains.

 

[Carl_Everett]

"
Lets review, your costs are over 16 cents per ASM NOT counting advertising and cost of sales, and the competition is BELOW 10 cents a mile... Yet you will make money at the same fares the competition will LOSE money at. And the competition will have high yield traffic connecting to overseas markets. PT Barnum was right. What day were you born on?

"Come see us later this summer."

So that you can bump me when the temp gets above 80 degrees and so that my luggage can disappear? No thanks.

Here is a simple example for you:

None of the 10 cent CASM airlines will be able to offer 14 flights a day from Washington to Raleigh and make money. Southwest offers 6 right now and the reason they don't operate 7 is that they would not make money on the segment. People will spend an extra 20 bucks to travel for business in the morning and be back for a late dinner all while missing the dreadful beltway drive.

United offers CRJ service to RDU right now, the CASM was around 22 cents for a UAL. I think they will not be able to match our fares for very long.

As far as bumping, I fail to see what you are talking about. I never had to bump anyone in the IJET due to temperature.

 

[Flyforyou]

T-bags, is your last name Boyd??

 

[T-Bags]

"You are right, FLYI won't sell any tickets because customers will have to use the internet or call the 800 number that would cost them $5 more to book.

JET-BLUE, SOUTHWEST, AIR-TRAN, Shut your doors now! T-Bags said this sales model doesn't work.

While we are at it, DELL, GATEWAY, and every other internet retailer better prepare for CH11. People don't like using the internet to shop for bargains."

Hey dumb@ss. Have you folowed the thread? One of PT Barnums boys at "fly I" think that costs WILL NOT go up due to advertising and sales. So like I said, the whole internet address and 1-800 fly flyI (or is it Ifly fly or flyI fly or me fly fly...) thing will just come to the consumenr in a dream. instead of comming to the board ill informed and looking that way, why don't you do some research. If you had, you'd see that Blu, an ESTABLISHED BRAND, spent 5.2% of it's operating cost on marketing and sales. That's down from 6.2% the year before. For the factually challenged, that's 5.2 to 6.2 dollars per 100 dollars in cost. But silly DELL et all, they are wasting ALL that money advertising to get folks to the internet site.

 

[Carl_Everett]

"You are right, FLYI won't sell any tickets because customers will have to use the internet or call the 800 number that would cost them $5 more to book.

JET-BLUE, SOUTHWEST, AIR-TRAN, Shut your doors now! T-Bags said this sales model doesn't work.

While we are at it, DELL, GATEWAY, and every other internet retailer better prepare for CH11. People don't like using the internet to shop for bargains."

Hey dumb@ss. Have you folowed the thread? One of PT Barnums boys at "fly I" think that costs WILL NOT go up due to advertising and sales. So like I said, the whole internet address and 1-800 fly flyI (or is it Ifly fly or flyI fly or me fly fly...) thing will just come to the consumenr in a dream. instead of comming to the board ill informed and looking that way, why don't you do some research. If you had, you'd see that Blu, an ESTABLISHED BRAND, spent 5.2% of it's operating cost on marketing and sales. That's down from 6.2% the year before. For the factually challenged, that's 5.2 to 6.2 dollars per 100 dollars in cost. But silly DELL et all, they are wasting ALL that money advertising to get folks to the internet site.

I have done lots of research, why don't you do some? It is public knowlegde that FLYI will spend close to 40 million on advertising this year alone. They never said that costs would not go up due to advertising. They said that advertising costs were already included in the business model so there is no reason to show an increase in costs for advertising.

When JetBlue started up, were they an ESTABLISHED BRAND? I don't think so.

"Man who calls others dumb@ss will be the butt of those who crack jokes"

 

[DougCorp-9]

Funny, I didn't notice iCLUB, iPOINTS, or iJET on the Apple list of trademarks. Nor any reference to the use of a lowercase i preceding a capitalized letter. [/B]

If you can't see the parallel then I am not going to argue with a fool.

 

[DougCorp-9]

Funny, I didn't notice iCLUB, iPOINTS, or iJET on the Apple list of trademarks. Nor any reference to the use of a lowercase i preceding a capitalized letter. [/B]

If you can't see the parallel then I am not going to argue with a fool.

 

[Mugs]

"A new airline will introduce service next month during some of the most congested periods at O'Hare International Airport, a move that federal aviation officials say threatens recent on-time improvements. Independence Air, which has operated United Express flights at O'Hare as Atlantic Coast Airlines, will inaugurate its own low-cost service to Chicago June 16 from Washington Dulles International Airport. It also will phase out its partnership with United Express, United Airlines' commuter affiliate. Independence Air will offer 12 flights a day, increasing to 24 arrivals and departures daily in July--about half during the afternoon and evening hours when airline schedules already outstrip O'Hare runways and gates."

So is it also true that Dulles will be a two runway airport all summer as 30-12 is worked on? Man, this is going to be fun.

Jetblue studied smaller aircraft extensively in their decision leading up to getting the EMBs. Their conclusion did not support the economics (or should I say lack of) for a 50 seat jet. It will be very interesting to see how IA makes this work when Jetblue's number crunchers ruled out 50 seaters. It seems like IA is going to have to try and establish itself with the wrong airplane for the job.

 

[Mugs]

"A new airline will introduce service next month during some of the most congested periods at O'Hare International Airport, a move that federal aviation officials say threatens recent on-time improvements. Independence Air, which has operated United Express flights at O'Hare as Atlantic Coast Airlines, will inaugurate its own low-cost service to Chicago June 16 from Washington Dulles International Airport. It also will phase out its partnership with United Express, United Airlines' commuter affiliate. Independence Air will offer 12 flights a day, increasing to 24 arrivals and departures daily in July--about half during the afternoon and evening hours when airline schedules already outstrip O'Hare runways and gates."

So is it also true that Dulles will be a two runway airport all summer as 30-12 is worked on? Man, this is going to be fun.

Jetblue studied smaller aircraft extensively in their decision leading up to getting the EMBs. Their conclusion did not support the economics (or should I say lack of) for a 50 seat jet. It will be very interesting to see how IA makes this work when Jetblue's number crunchers ruled out 50 seaters. It seems like IA is going to have to try and establish itself with the wrong airplane for the job.

 

[smellthejeta]

lost bags

One of you asked about how ACA's lost bags could get blamed on United. That is simple.

From a statistical (or should I say accounting) stand point, the last carrier to touch the bags is the carrier that takes the mishandled baggage charge. This applies whether it is an interline (seperate codes) or within multiple carriers of the same code. So, if ACA fails to deliver the bag to the pax at Carousel 1 at IAD, ACA takes the PAWOB charge.

HOWEVER, United does all the baggage transfers between UA and UAX flights at IAD. That is, for any bag transfering to or from a UA mainline flight, a UA bag runner handles it. So, if UA sits on all of the UAX bags, ACA will still take the charge, even if UA dropped the bags late.

I did a stint at ORD awhile back, and the international arrivals facility handled, IIRC, an NRT and HKG flight that got in around the same time. They would wait until bags from BOTH flight cleared customs before bringing ALL bags to the ACA transfer point. At the time I got the bags at the transfer point, 1/3 of the bags missed their connection, 1/3 were hot (meaning departures within :30 or so) and 1/3 were cold (meaning bags I really didn't want to see for at least an hour). The point is that United had control of the bags until the last second, but ACA tooke the accounting charges for mis(handle)ing the bags.

 

[Rotorhead]

I love how they are ripping off Apple computer whith the "iClub" stuff. Lawsuit anyone.

Hey DougCorp-9 you better call Apple, looks like someone else is at it......

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=IPAS

 

[MW44]

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Do you own a car? If so, you are rich. There are millions and millions of families who will never, ever be able to afford a car.

Making $120K and being gone 18 days/month, in addition to being able to fly sounds awesome to me! I hope to one day make over $150K, but sometimes I realize that this goal is kind of ridiculous, when their are entire families trying to live on less than $1K/year."




I hope you are kidding with that starving kids in Africa line. So let me get this straight, because their are workers in china making DVD players for $1/day we should be happy to give up 20 years of wage and work rule improvements because we own two pairs of shoes? Give me a break. I hope to god you never sit on a negotiating committee.

 

[Ty Webb]

Over half of AirTran's customers book on-line.