In defense of USA Jet

[fleaflickerjoe]

Just like if a company is required by law to give you notice, and can be held liable if they do not give notice, you are risking a not eligible for re-hire if you do not give the company notice. I agree, though, if you are working for a operator that might screw you over, then no notice is prudent. Unlike a employer, a employee is not bound by law to provide notice.

Like it or not, what do can you do about it? It's kinda like being broke up with...you just have to lick your wounds and move on. Good luck to all yall guy's finding new jobs, its tough times out here but don't waste anytime with the past. Thats my .02

Big D

 

[PilotwQuestions]

There are things that you can do.
http://www.doleta.gov/programs/factsht/warn.htm

 

[tjsatter]

I don't believe employers, in general, are required to give any notice at all. There are specific, individual cases where contractual issues are involved but this is not federal law. "At Will" is a more general mode of employment for most folks, most of the time.

tj

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Apparently you are not familiar with the federal laws that require notice.

Not true.

There is something called "At Will Employment," meaning the employer or employee may terminate the employment at any time without any notice whatsoever.

 

[fleaflickerjoe]

Not true.

There is something called "At Will Employment," meaning the employer or employee may terminate the employment at any time without any notice whatsoever.

If you want to pay a lawer to flight this battle, rest assured that he/she will be the only one that walks away with any $. They always have and always will!

Good luck!

Big D

 

[PilotwQuestions]

Not true.

There is something called "At Will Employment," meaning the employer or employee may terminate the employment at any time without any notice whatsoever.

False.

http://www.doleta.gov/programs/factsht/warn.htm

 

[AC560]

False.

http://www.doleta.gov/programs/factsht/warn.htm

True in the sense that are some conditions where notification is required. False in the sense that most businesses will purposely ensure they don't cross the threshold requirements.

 

[tjsatter]

The Warn Act does not apply to "normal" day to day operations of most companies most of the time. It is for the specific case of a shutdown ONLY.


"At Will" is the rule unless contractual obligations exist

 

[skysharke]

The Warn Act does not apply to "normal" day to day operations of most companies most of the time. It is for the specific case of a shutdown ONLY.


"At Will" is the rule unless contractual obligations exist

Would it apply too say a specific aircraft such as a Falcon 20 operation being SHUTDOWN and all pilots and support personal laid off?

 

[freightdawg]

Would it apply too say a specific aircraft such as a Falcon 20 operation being SHUTDOWN and all pilots and support personal laid off?

Actually, by my understanding - and, yes, I am a USA Jet alum - you could be laid off / terminated at any time, for any reason, and they don't have to tell you why at all. It's literally at their will. To the best of my knowledge, the statement earlier that this is always true in abscence of a contract is correct.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The only exception was PilotYip - really, I'm not blowing smoke here. He had a number of smart ideas that, had management listened to him, would of done the company well - some were off the wall and I thought odd (Squadrons anyone?) but others were well thought out but shot down by Active Aero because they didn't think of them. Sure, he was a cheerleader but if that's what it takes to keep the job, where are the pompoms?

Good for pilot yip!

 

[Way2Broke]

Good for pilot yip!

Hell has frozen over, a strong union guy is giving credit to a strong anti-union guy. Pilot Yip, while optimistic to a fault, is a very personable guy that wants to see the people he has helped succeed. He pretty much was the hiring board at USA Jet, and he wrote a pilot policy handbook that set the standard for other on-demand companies. The power to enforce that handbook was sometimes limited, but, at no point do I think he was out to get anyone. I will always owe him a debt of gratitude for giving me the opportunities that were provided to me at USA Jet. We did not always see eye to eye, but I know that without him I would not have never flown a USA Jet Falcon. I'm fortunate too have had the opportunity to meet the people I did at USA Jet and get the training I did while at USA Jet.

 

[NuGuy]

+2

I realize aviation is sometimes a different animal, with respect to how layoffs are handled, and so expectations are often that one will have advance notice, severence, recall rights, etc. But what happened at USA Jet was nothing more than what has happened to of thousands of folks in manufacturing and IT right here in NC in the last ten years. You show up for work one day and you're met by private secuity ... escorting people in groups to get their stuff. No notice ... no warning ... no apologies ... nothing.

And another +2.

Being a professional (Doctor/lawyer/MBA) is no exception to this rule. My ex was escorted from her place of work when she was let go. She was a Dr, and later told me it was the most humiliating thing in her life, not because of how it happened, but because she thought herself immune to that type of thing.

We hear all the time about executives getting a golden parachute and what not when getting canned, but in reality, this happens to a microscopic fraction of people.

Nu

 

[AWACoff]

The Warn Act does not apply to "normal" day to day operations of most companies most of the time. It is for the specific case of a shutdown ONLY.

Wrong.

It applied to Continental in regards to their furloughs and they didn't shut down the company. Read up on the WARN Act and come back here to post the truth.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

New York is an at will state. We had a black Friday at our company a few years ago where the owner came in and fired some people and made them wait in the parking lot to be escorted back in to empty their desks.