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If these "imams" wanted to do something useful, they'd try to put the hurt on the extremists within their own religion. The muslims that are out to kill us are the ones to blame for forcing people to be afraid, not U.S. Airways.
 
Occam's Razor said:
What if the guy you had concerns about was an Arab-American muslim who also happened to be a Secret Service agent on the President's security detail?

Can anyone remember our Commander in Chief's comments after that incident? http://wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25963
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After (if I am not mistaken) 3 attempts at filling out the paper work correctly it was still wrong. I am glad he was denied.

If he is skilled enough to carry a gun and guard the President he "should" be able to fill out a pretty simple form "to carry onboard".

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A couple of months ago, I was jumpseating out of SEA. While waiting in the passenger area, I noticed an Arab gentlemen in the corner praying. He was standing, swaying, and violently rocking back and forth. This went on for the better part of 15 minutes. Honestly, I was concerned enough to keep an eye on him from accross the lounge. It was only after the person was done that I realized he was Jewish and wearing a Yamica (sp) which relieved most of my tensions.

It made me think alot about what I was witnessed. I'm open minded enough to realize people can prey wherever and whenever they want. I just wish people were aware enough of the world around them that they might change their behavior in an aiport and not scare the sh1t out of 130 poeple sharing the boarding lounge with them.
 
AAflyer said:
After (if I am not mistaken) 3 attempts at filling out the paper work correctly it was still wrong. I am glad he was denied.
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So you think it was all about the paperwork...and his "profile" had nothing to do with it? I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ here. I recall the discussions right after it happened, and it appeared that this "profile" was the red flag that caused the flight crew to question his paperwork. The concern at the time was that he might not have been who he claimed to be, and that concern was initiated by his "profile" instead of his ability to fill-in-the-blanks.

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If he is skilled enough to carry a gun and guard the President he "should" be able to fill out a pretty simple form "to carry onboard".
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One would think, huh? I'm kinda surprised whenever I sign the log at the security checkpoints at the number of *ahem* "totin'" pilots ahead of me who completed that paperwork incorrectly.
 
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So you think it was all about the paperwork...and his "profile" had nothing to do with it? I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ here. I recall the discussions right after it happened, and it appeared that this "profile" was the red flag that caused the flight crew to question his paperwork. The concern at the time was that he might not have been who he claimed to be, and that concern was initiated by his "profile" instead of his ability to fill-in-the-blanks.
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Simple fact is if I have a question about the security of my passengers and crew I am going to go on the side of caution. If this was my flight they would have been removed. I'm sure that if we are going to have another 9/11 type event that the terrorists won't all board the flight together, nor will they be sitting together. But if I observe 6 middle eastern men praying before they board a flight you can bet your W2 that I am going to say something about it. Tolerance is fine, but our society has become a little too PC for it's own health.
 
Start dipping all the bullets used in Iraq in Pigs Blood.
If you want to beat the enemy you have to understand them and fight at their level.
They wouldn't go to ALA if they have pig goo on them!
 
I saw a bit on the news tonight. One knucklehead commented that we needed to be more sensitive towards their religious requirements.
I say BS.

They need to come into the real world and behave like normal people. Why is it that we have to adjust and accept their actions/ behavior? If they can not be sensitive to the concerns of the average American citizen who still remembers that more than 3000 innocents were taken out by his "brothers" , then too bad when some of them are asked not to travel on my flight.



This infidel will never convert. You will have to pry my weapon from my cold dead hands.
 
I just wish people were aware enough of the world around them that they might change their behavior in an aiport and not scare the sh1t out of 130 poeple sharing the boarding lounge with them.[/quote]
 
The world at large(and a growing number of Americans) need to understand and embrace the fact that when you leave the house there are no guarantees that you will not get offended. The answer: get over yourself.

Someone said it above and they were absolutely correct. Why has not the Muslim community banded together to disassociate themselves from Radical Islam(Islamo-Fascism, whatever you want to call it)? That's where the problem comes from. This crew, these pax, all involved were uncomfortable because of a VERY large movement of Muslim extremists spanning the globe that have made their mission to rid the world of everybody else(at all costs) very clear.

Because of this group, these 6 men found themselves being singled out. NO OTHER REASON, NOBODY ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE. So I ask again why don't the rest of the world's Muslims come out against all of the extremism within their ranks? One singular fact that we should all be concerned with: The nation of Islam is involved in a "hot"(shooting) conflict on every continent on this planet and something on the order of 98% of all the "hot " conflicts on Earth. What does this say? I think I'd find some new colleagues.
 
SkiFishFly said:
I saw a bit on the news tonight. One knucklehead commented that we needed to be more sensitive towards their religious requirements.
I say BS.

They need to come into the real world and behave like normal people. Why is it that we have to adjust and accept their actions/ behavior? If they can not be sensitive to the concerns of the average American citizen who still remembers that more than 3000 innocents were taken out by his "brothers" , then too bad when some of them are asked not to travel on my flight.



This infidel will never convert. You will have to pry my weapon from my cold dead hands.
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I agree. Additionally, I always think about how WE would have to act if living in THEIR(Majority-Muslim) country. I guarantee that most of us could not look, act, speak over there the same as we do here at home in the U.S.

If I wanted to move to a foreign land, I would do what I could to adapt and fit in. Some people are obviously not trying to adapt and fit in here.

If one does not like the culture, the language, the values held by a country then leave that country.
 
In one sentence you guys talk about Islamic terrorism and in another you talk about a handful of devout Muslims practicing their free right to pray and assemble in an airport. Then you equate the two and that's what I find objectionable. True, it would be in their own self-interest to not draw attention to themselves but they didn't do anything wrong and if I were in charge I'd be inclined to tell the complaintant to relax or get off him/herself.
 
TWA Dude said:
From the sound of it the crew over-reacted. Common-sense is preferable to paranoia.
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And erring on the safe side is preferable to having my head severed from my shoulders because I was too much of a weak-d!ck to stand up and say enough is enough...

On the one hand you tell us exactly why you as an American Jew vote a straight Democratic ticket, and on that same hand you seem to have a disconnect with the fact that these same muslims you so honorably defend, teach their children that you are descended from pigs and apes... These guys hate your guts and you smugly wag your finger when someone calls them on their bull crap...

Political correctness is going to lead this nation down a road we don't want to travel...
 
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I personally believe this entire episode was planned and implemented by CAIR. They knew exactly what kind of firestorm it would create, and it did. They win. They are strangling this country with our own political correctness. They know we will sheepishly do whatever we are told to do simply to avoid a lawsuit or hurting someone's feelings...

When they get us again, and they will, I don't think any amount of "islam is a peaceful religion" crap from Washington is going to dissuade the AMERICAN public from exacting immediate and meaningful revenge on the group they see as the single-most dangerous threat to our country and our way of life...

I know, I know, I'm a bigot and a redneck yadda yadda yadda. Go ahead lefties, flame away. I am firm in my belief that I am a member of America's silent majority which has had it with the onslaught of images from around the globe of anti-America rhetoric. And for goodness' sake, spare me any attempt to enlighten me about islam. I know who my enemies are: Anyone who wants to eradicate me, and anyone who stands by and defends their "right" to do it...
 
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FlyBarneyJets said:
If these "imams" wanted to do something useful, they'd try to put the hurt on the extremists within their own religion. The muslims that are out to kill us are the ones to blame for forcing people to be afraid, not U.S. Airways.
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Not hating on muslims either, as I know a lot of good muslims, but the extremists have hi-jacked their religion, and they're the problem, not the paranoid American.
 
"This event would be the equivalent of Roman Catholic bishops being arrested in China because they wore clerical robes and invoked Jesus Christ in prayers," Zaman said.

Yeah it would, if China had a history of airplanes being hijacked by Roman Catholics who invoked Jesus Christ in their prayers before they crashed the airplanes....
 
Listen to yourselves...I often have a problem with organized religions and Muslims have their fair share of problems, but I know a lot of normal, peaceful Muslims as well. They're probably your cab drivers, doctors, computer programmers, engineers, retail owners, same as mine. We just had a Muslim elected to Congress from Minnesota.

Some of the deeply bigoted comments you guys are spewing would be completely unacceptable, crass and tasteless and the moderators would probably even censor them if you simply replaced Muslims with Blacks, Jews, Gays, Women, or any other minority. Terrorism is horrible and should be abhorred and fought and squashed, but you don't see the Irish or the Catholics paying for the IRA's faults, the Spanish paying for ETA's depredations, the Hindus paying for the Tamil Tiger's suicide attacks, do you?

You're only feeding off of George of the Jungle and FOX news if you believe everything those yokels tell you. I've had Muslims, Jews, Catholics and ppl of all stripes pray around me, at the airport and other public places. Long as they weren't imposing their beliefs on others I have no beef with them.

Eradicate vermin? Now who's sounding like a Fascist?
 
I often have a problem with organized religions
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Meaning Christianity?

I know a lot of normal, peaceful Muslims as well. They're probably your cab drivers, doctors, computer programmers, engineers, retail owners[/QUOTE

Mohammed Atta was an engineer.

We just had a Muslim elected to Congress from Minnesota.
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Do some research on this normal, peaceful Muslim you hold up as an example of a normal, good hearted Muslim. Read about his links to CAIR, and their links to Hezbollah and Hamas. Keith (Hakim) Ellison was also a close associate of another peace-loving religious leader, Louis Farrahkhan. No "spewing" of "deeply bigoted comments" outta that guy.

replaced Muslims with Blacks, Jews, Gays, Women, or any other minority.
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As someone stated earlier, other minorities don't have a recent history of blowing up airplanes

Terrorism is horrible and should be abhorred and fought and squashed,
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Fighting terrorism would be much easier if they all wore an official "terrorist uniform." No such luck.

but you don't see the Irish or the Catholics paying for the IRA's faults, the Spanish paying for ETA's depredations, the Hindus paying for the Tamil Tiger's suicide attacks, do you?
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Here in America? No. Likely a different story in the home nations.


You're only feeding off of George of the Jungle and FOX news if you believe everything those yokels tell you
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Ahhh, now we get to the heart of your post. Why do you have so much hate in your heart for all those FoxNews viewers?

I've had Muslims, Jews, Catholics and ppl of all stripes pray around me, at the airport and other public places
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Me, too. 99% of the time it's done quietly or in complete silence. I have NEVER seen six imams, priests, or rabbis, stand up on an airplane and start reciting prayers. Definitely unusual PUBLIC behavior. Anyone else ever witnessed something like on a usual basis?

Long as they weren't imposing their beliefs on others I have no beef with them.
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Alot of people had other beliefs imposed on them on four different airplanes. Listen to yourself, potsy. You can feign peace, love, and harmony and true tolerance of all, but methinks if 6 pentacostals jumped up on an airplane and started praising Jesus, you'd be singing a different tune. Probably along the lines of "well, I felt uncomfortable...they were creating a climate of fear...I was intimidated and felt all icky...."

Keep whistling by the graveyard.
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Alot of people had other beliefs imposed on them on four different airplanes. Listen to yourself, potsy. You can feign peace, love, and harmony and true tolerance of all, but methinks if 6 pentacostals jumped up on an airplane and started praising Jesus, you'd be singing a different tune. Probably along the lines of "well, I felt uncomfortable...they were creating a climate of fear...I was intimidated and felt all icky...."

Keep whistling by the graveyard.
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Bingo...

These people are killing us with our own political correctness! The likes of Slipstream are willing participants in the battle... Just keep your head in the sand and before you know it, there are several hundred of them in Congress...
 
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Occam's Razor said:
One would think, huh? I'm kinda surprised whenever I sign the log at the security checkpoints at the number of *ahem* "totin'" pilots ahead of me who completed that paperwork incorrectly.
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Big difference when the form is not the same at any two aiports.

A profile is just part of the picture.


Maybe they are not as smart as you.

Good thing you are there now.


DB
 
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Bottom line here: All of the terrorists invoved in 9/11 were muslim. Most, if not all, of the peolpe involved in the attempts to bring liquid explosives aboard airplanes in London were MUSLIM! These are the people trying to kill us. They should be profiled. Political correctness is getting in the way of our nations security.
 
C5drvr said:
Bottom line here: All of the terrorists invoved in 9/11 were muslim. Most, if not all, of the peolpe involved in the attempts to bring liquid explosives aboard airplanes in London were MUSLIM! These are the people trying to kill us. They should be profiled. Political correctness is getting in the way of our nations security.
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Exactly. Very good post.
 

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