Imams vs. US Airways

[TWA Dude]

SkiFishFly: I referred him to the website since he obviously didin't understand the difference between a statement by an ACLU founder in the '30s and the ACLU's current positions. What "truth" do you seek and how will you know it when you see it?

 

[myq2u]

TWA dude – sorry to disappoint you but I still think ACLU is bad for this country. They are the PC polis, and I believe political correctness is slowly suffocating this nation from within. They do have a very leftist agenda and even though I agree with many of the projects they’d defended, overall I believe they do not care for this country as a whole; rather they have a utopian idea of a society where there are no borders, no states, no rights or wrongs – just “different” or “alternative.” I’m not going to get into an argument with you on ACLU because I know I won’t change your mind, and you won’t change mine, so what’s the point?

 

[HA25]

TWA dude – sorry to disappoint you but I still think ACLU is bad for this country. They are the PC polis, and I believe political correctness is slowly suffocating this nation from within. They do have a very leftist agenda and even though I agree with many of the projects they’d defended, overall I believe they do not care for this country as a whole; rather they have a utopian idea of a society where there are no borders, no states, no rights or wrongs – just “different” or “alternative.” I’m not going to get into an argument with you on ACLU because I know I won’t change your mind, and you won’t change mine, so what’s the point?

Man, you couldn't have said it better... a big +1 to that...

 

[TWA Dude]

TWA dude – sorry to disappoint you but I still think ACLU is bad for this country.

And you're entitled to your opinion. I happen to disagree strenuously.

... overall I believe they do not care for this country as a whole ...

That's where you jump from having a differing opinion to absurdity. Everying the ACLU does is to protect all of us from abuses of the Constitution. Take the Patriot Act, for instance. There are parts of it that seem to violate the Constitution so the ACLU fought that. It's a non sequitur to infer because of that the ACLU doesn't want to protect our country. Would you argue that we should follow the Constitution except it's okay to violate it when we feel it's inconvenient? Does that not set a very dangerous precedent? One would think strict adherance to the Cons. would be something conservatives would vigorously support. Funny how things work sometimes.

I’m not going to get into an argument with you on ACLU because I know I won’t change your mind, and you won’t change mine, so what’s the point?

I rarely endeavor to change anybody's mind but I do try to inform people of that which they probably didn't know so that they may come to agree with me on their own. In this case that means actually looking at the arguments the ACLU makes and understanding how the basis is in the Constitution. One of my favorite examples is the the neo-Nazis' attempt to march in Skokie, Illinois (short summary: http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html ). I got into a heated argument with a friend who happens to be an Orthodox Jew. What it all boiled down to was that he felt that since the neo-Nazis were morally wrong the First Amendment shouldn't apply -- and I argued that the Amendment must always apply because the "morally wrong" argument can easily be used by those with nefarious intent against any group. Neither of us changed the other's mind either but it was a useful exchange.

 

[SkiFishFly]

The ACLU files suits/takes on cases where in THEIR opinion
- some aspect of the constitution has been violated
- the aspects of the case warrant the attention and resources of the ACLU

What you do not seem to understand is that a lot of us do not agree with the ACLU on these points in many of the cases which the ACLU decides to take on.
I don't think the ACLU represents the vast majority of Americans. They have this smug, condescending, we are always right attitude with regards to the cases they file.
I also think it is wrong that the ACLU and organizations like them carefully choose which courts/districts in which to file their lawsuits. I am sure they keep "profiles" on the judges which they choose to hear their cases.

 

[VABB]

And you're entitled to your opinion. I happen to disagree strenuously.That's where you jump from having a differing opinion to absurdity. Everying the ACLU does is to protect all of us from abuses of the Constitution. Take the Patriot Act, for instance. There are parts of it that seem to violate the Constitution so the ACLU fought that. It's a non sequitur to infer because of that the ACLU doesn't want to protect our country. Would you argue that we should follow the Constitution except it's okay to violate it when we feel it's inconvenient? Does that not set a very dangerous precedent? One would think strict adherance to the Cons. would be something conservatives would vigorously support. Funny how things work sometimes.I rarely endeavor to change anybody's mind but I do try to inform people of that which they probably didn't know so that they may come to agree with me on their own. In this case that means actually looking at the arguments the ACLU makes and understanding how the basis is in the Constitution. One of my favorite examples is the the neo-Nazis' attempt to march in Skokie, Illinois (short summary: http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/strwhe.html ). I got into a heated argument with a friend who happens to be an Orthodox Jew. What it all boiled down to was that he felt that since the neo-Nazis were morally wrong the First Amendment shouldn't apply -- and I argued that the Amendment must always apply because the "morally wrong" argument can easily be used by those with nefarious intent against any group. Neither of us changed the other's mind either but it was a useful exchange.

Anyone want to take a guess as to how many times the phrase "oy vey" was used?

 

[TWA Dude]

What you do not seem to understand is that a lot of us do not agree with the ACLU on these points in many of the cases which the ACLU decides to take on.

You don't have to agree with them. If everyone agreed on everything there would be no need for courts.

I don't think the ACLU represents the vast majority of Americans.

So what? The Law isn't always popular.

They have this smug, condescending, we are always right attitude with regards to the cases they file.

Well, now, that's just your perception. I can't quote the ACLU's success ratio but I suspect they win most of the time. Does that not say something?

I also think it is wrong that the ACLU and organizations like them carefully choose which courts/districts in which to file their lawsuits.

I have bad news for you but that is commonplace in the legal profession. I know this from having done paralegal work in my father's law office. Our legal system is imperfect.

 

[HA25]

The ACLU isn't all bad.. I do agree with their resistance to the "Patriot Act" which I think is a load of crap.. so let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. However, I certainly can say that on 90% (wag) of what they seem to select to defend as a "Right" it's slanted to the liberal political prospective, Abortion being the prime example, as it's clearly not anywhere in the constitution, but more of a "liberal interpretation" of said document.

 

[FinalApproach]

Six imams and a plane

Barbara J. Stock​

November 27, 2006


On their way back from a three-day meeting in Minneapolis of the North American Imams Federation, six Islamic imams were stunned to find out that suspicious behavior by Muslims on large jet planes makes non-Muslims nervous. Why they would be shocked is perhaps the mystery of the decade.

One imam asked for an extension for his seat-belt even though the seat belt he had fit without difficulty. Did he want it to use it to put around someone's neck? They asked to change seats once aboard. The imams were seen praying just prior to boarding. Anyone else seen praying would be met with a smile and the thought that the pray-ee must really be afraid of flying. But when a Muslim is seen praying prior to boarding a plane, the fear is that he may be getting ready to become a martyr.

Witnesses overheard the imams making anti-American remarks at the boarding gate and yet, these Muslim men were shocked when they were asked to leave the plane. They claimed that they were "humiliated" and their ejection only shows how "Islamaphobic" Americans are. But perhaps it just showed that these six Muslim imams showed very poor judgment and were totally insensitive to the feelings of their fellow passengers.

Always the victims, these six Muslim imams seemed to forget that it was Muslims who flew planes into the World Trade Center buildings and the Pentagon, and were attempting to crash into the Capital. Did it slip their minds that 3000 citizens died on 9/11 at the hands of Muslims? Have they forgotten that Islamic leaders have declared war on the United States and vowed to make our "blood run in the streets?" Did these Muslims miss the announcement from the highest Islamic cleric in Saudi Arabia giving bin Laden permission to use nuclear weapons on our cities? Or that Islamics have told us there are "no innocent civilians in America, not even babies?"

It is no secret that Islamics will hijack more planes given the opportunity. If they can't steal them to use as missiles, they will blow them up over a city for maximum killing and destruction. What is outrageous is that Muslims who seem to delight in partaking in activities they know will make the other passengers nervous are outraged when they are removed from a flight.

However, there is another possibility to this story. There have been many such incidents where Muslims have acted suspiciously and have been removed from flights. And on each occasion the Council for American-Islamic Relations has been Johnny-on-the-spot to howl accusations of discrimination and racial profiling.

Some Muslims have considered it a joke to talk about "bombs" on the plane or to split up once on the plane and signal to each other and make several trips to the bathroom. They have openly admitted that they find it amusing to see some passengers start to cry, thinking the plane is about to be hijacked.

No matter how intimidating the actions of Muslims, it is implied that non-Muslims are to just accept it or be called "Muslim haters." CAIR's goal seems to be to force Americans to accept without question any behavior from Muslims, no matter how outlandish. Could it be that some of these spontaneous "incidents" have been carefully planned as part of the "desensitization of America" to Muslim behavior?

Toss a suspicious Muslim off a plane and the airline is threatened with a lawsuit from CAIR. The complaining passengers are belittled and berated for being nervous over "nothing."

Who are the people we are dealing with? In Iraq, followers of this "religion of peace" set off suicide bombs that killed about 200 of their fellow Muslims. In retaliation, six Muslims were dragged into the street and doused with kerosene and set on fire and mosques were blown up.

In Russia, a school was invaded by Muslims and over three hundred innocent people including 186 children were murdered.

In the Palestinian territory, a 57-year-old grandmother decided to become a suicide bomber and leave her nine children and 30 grandchildren behind. Her family is probably bursting at the seams with pride over the matriarchs "martyrdom" even though she didn't succeed in killing anyone but herself.

It is apparent when dealing with many Islamics, that logic and rational thought is not at the top of their thought processes.

While there are many quite normal Muslims in this world, how does one know which ones are normal and which dream nightly of being martyrs for Allah? The ones standing in line with the dream of entering paradise by killing large numbers of infidels do not wear a sign around their necks. As we and the British have learned, all the hopeful Islamic bombers are not in Iraq or the Middle East. The good people of Madrid and Bali have also learned that not all Muslims are peaceful.

Islamic suicide bombers have even been school teachers and grandmothers. They have been young and old. Muslim cartoons show children the glory of dying, and teach that killing non-Muslims pleases Allah.

Here in America, the Islamic Free Thinkers have declared that Islam will not rest until America is ruled by Sharia law under the domain of Islam.

With all of this known, Muslims are still shocked and "humiliated" when their bizarre behavior gets them singled out?

When six imams who claim to have just left a three-day meeting trying to find a way to "build a bridge between Islam and Americans," badmouth America just prior to boarding a plane, they should not be stunned when that bridge burns down in front of them. Neither the passengers nor the airline is at fault. The fault lies with Muslims who want their aggression to be accepted as a normal part of life.

Suing those that refuse to accept this behavior will not build any "bridges," it will only blow them up. But then explosions are commonplace these days wherever there are large groups of Muslims.

 

[dispatchguy]

Here in America, the Islamic Free Thinkers have declared that Islam will not rest until America is ruled by Sharia law under the domain of Islam.

It'll be a cold day in Hell before I'll let that happen. If I have some ali-baba coming after me, my job will be to let him meet is martyrdom virgins - and theyre all prepubescent boys.

All the more reason and justification for the imposition of profiling, after all, NOWHERE do you have a RIGHT to fly - its just a privilege like driving. You dont wanna submit to the profiling, you dont HAVE to fly.

 

[pkober]

they want to boycott USAirways..... good.

Not good! That's means they might come over to my airline.

All these people who preach political correctness are so far off the mark. The true enemy presented itself on that airplane. The crew did the right thing. Had they not removed them and they hijacked that airplane everyone would be saying "what were they thinking, they should have removed them".

All you PC'ers. What would you say if it was a Christian pastor reading from the Bible aloud. You would all have your panties in a wad. You would say that your rights were being violated.

The enemy knows that all they have to do is raise a stink and the PC'ers will come to there defense. They can claim that they are just "peaceful" and mean us no harm. Just ask Nick Berg how peaceful they are. Ask the families from 9-11 how peaceful they are. Ask Isreal how peaceful they are. They are playing you like a fiddle.

Good job to the crew. They may have saved 100+ people and that should be commended. Hopefully ALPA will give them an award.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Does that not say something?I have bad news for you but that is commonplace in the legal profession. I know this from having done paralegal work in my father's law office. Our legal system is imperfect.

Do you know how I know you're gay?

 

[SkiFishFly]

Six imams and a plane

Barbara J. Stock​

November 27, 2006


... What is outrageous is that Muslims who seem to delight in partaking in activities they know will make the other passengers nervous are outraged when they are removed from a flight.

However, there is another possibility to this story. There have been many such incidents where Muslims have acted suspiciously and have been removed from flights. And on each occasion the Council for American-Islamic Relations has been Johnny-on-the-spot to howl accusations of discrimination and racial profiling.

Some Muslims have considered it a joke to talk about "bombs" on the plane or to split up once on the plane and signal to each other and make several trips to the bathroom. They have openly admitted that they find it amusing to see some passengers start to cry, thinking the plane is about to be hijacked.

No matter how intimidating the actions of Muslims, it is implied that non-Muslims are to just accept it or be called "Muslim haters." CAIR's goal seems to be to force Americans to accept without question any behavior from Muslims, no matter how outlandish. Could it be that some of these spontaneous "incidents" have been carefully planned as part of the "desensitization of America" to Muslim behavior?

Toss a suspicious Muslim off a plane and the airline is threatened with a lawsuit from CAIR. The complaining passengers are belittled and berated for being nervous over "nothing."

.

Maybe it is time we started showing such individuals what a good old fashion American A@@ whipping feels like. It is time we (Americans) stood up to these idiots that are doing this crap on our soil and show them we don't tolerate their BS.

 

[TWA Dude]

Do you know how I know you're gay?

No, how did you know I'm happy?