ILS clearance question

[Mesabi Miner]

everything within 30 miles of the main bang.

I'll bet 75% of pilots don't know what the "main bang" is. Somebody took their ATC class!

MM

 

[CFII_4Ever]

I'll bet 75% of pilots don't know what the "main bang" is. Somebody took their ATC class!

MM

The spot on the plan where the radar antenna is at.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

The spot on the plan where the radar antenna is at.

Somebody took their ATC Class!

 

[afhercdriver]

Because its not a localizer approach.

The approach is an ILS approach no matter what. If the GS is OTS, then the controller will still clear you for the ILS approach, but its the pilots responsibility to fly it localizer only.

But if you deviate too low on the GS doesn't approach get an alarm? My point is if you use the dive and drive method to fly the LOC then you are going to be way below the GS. Right?

Jim

 

[Donsa320]

But if you deviate too low on the GS doesn't approach get an alarm? My point is if you use the dive and drive method to fly the LOC then you are going to be way below the GS. Right?

Jim

No, any alarms would be a "Low Altitude Alarm" which is generated based on obstacle clearance and rate of descent. The parameters in the facility should be set so that it will not alarm if the approach is flown as depicted. I suppose if you really pulled the power off rapidly at the FAF and came down like a stone to non-precision minimums you could probably could cause an alarm in the approach facility and they would call you to "Check Altitude". But that would be because of a rapid descent rate which causes the computer to look ahead and then go into alarm.
DC

 

[JCJ]

No, any alarms would be a "Low Altitude Alarm" which is generated based on obstacle clearance and rate of descent. The parameters in the facility should be set so that it will not alarm if the approach is flown as depicted. I suppose if you really pulled the power off rapidly at the FAF and came down like a stone to non-precision minimums you could probably could cause an alarm in the approach facility and they would call you to "Check Altitude". But that would be because of a rapid descent rate which causes the computer to look ahead and then go into alarm.
DC

Agree

assuming no NOTAM's or other special conditions to the contrary, published LOC only minimums are always available on the ILS and could result in a descent below the GS early in the approach. Of course, assuming the aircraft doesn't bust the LOC minimums he will always have terrain clearance becasue they are published minimums and wouldn't be so if they didn't meet TERPS criteria.

In actual IMC, this could be failure of the G/S on the ground, failure of the G/S in the air or an aircraft equipped with VOR only and hence no G/S receiver (as amny old trainers). Remember an ILS receiver is not required for IFR flight, only a VOR/LOC (or TACAN for mil). It's legal to fly IFR/IMC without an ILS, but probably not smart.

Good idea to practice a LOC only approach in VFR sometimes - just in case

 

[afhercdriver]

Thanks for setting me straight guys! There is so much I don't know.

 

[Wooly]

The 7110.65 says "cleared ILS runway 36 approach, Glideslope unusable" in section 4-8-1 FYI.

Thanks, this was the answer I was looking for.

 

[Way2Broke]

6 one way, half dozen the other

 

[lawfly]

Just as an "ILS circle to land" isn't a precision approach, i.e, no vertical guidance to the landing runway, but is still cleared as an ILS circle to Runway __. The clearance is for the charted procedure, with such inoperative, unusable, or inapplicable components as may pertain. "circle to land" said it best by quoting the official source. The Government ILS approach charts usually contain three sets of mins: S-ILS, S-LOC, Circling. Some ILS procedures contain additional info for "LOC Only" (e.g., KBUR), others combine ILS and LOC approaches onto the same chart (KCRQ). I'm looking at downloadable NACO charts at the moment. (Incidentally, S-LOC mins are "NA" at KOXR.) But I think the legalities would favor an approach clearance which refers to the charted approach procedure, not to an uncharted procedure.