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fraitguy

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I have a couple of questions for you Astar and ABX folks. I was flying yesterday and heard DAY approach holding all the inbound DHL freight/aircraft. It seems like some of the planes were landing (or beginning the ILS approach) last night (02-20) and many were unable to land or started the approach but executed missed approaches. I thought both airlines were now Cat II certified. Was it below Cat II lasts night? How does the freight get sorted if all the airplanes cannot reach ILN?
 
I was flying all night last night and morning. The fog for most of the night was thick but rvr kept changing from cat I to Cat II minimums . Astar is not Cat II yet (a work still in progress) so some flights either held and attempted approaches or just diverted elsewhere. At around 6am, when my plane finally got loaded and we were about to push the rvr on both runways took a dump to below 6,6,6. for the next 4-5 hours the field was CAT III landing ,no departures at all and no landings for non catIII. For awhile they reported rvr at 100,100,100. That combined with the freezing fog, made for a long long night....
 
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Still no Astar.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KILN
ABX109DC94Mc Ghee Tyson (KTYS)Wed 11:18PM ESTThu 01:33AM ESTABX2012DC93Lehigh Valley Int'l (KABE)Wed 11:08PM ESTThu 01:27AM ESTABX943DC94Hector Int'l (KFAR)Wed 10:22PM CSTThu 01:26AM ESTABX320DC93Syracuse Hancock Int'l (KSYR)Wed 10:45PM ESTThu 01:25AM ESTABX156DC94Rochester Int'l (KRST)Wed 10:25PM CSTThu 01:25AM ESTABX414B762San Diego Int'l (KSAN)Wed 07:09PM PSTThu 01:25AM ESTABX308DC93Dallas Fort Worth Int'l (KDFW)Wed 10:43PM CSTThu 01:23AM ESTABX141DC94Raleigh Durham Int'l (KRDU)Wed 10:28PM ESTThu 01:20AM ESTABX181DC94Pittsburgh Int'l (KPIT)Wed 11:12PM ESTThu 01:19AM ESTABX159DC93The Eastern Iowa (KCID)Wed 10:18PM CSTThu 01:19AM ESTABX410B762Austin Bergstrom Int'l (KAUS)Wed 10:03PM CSTThu 01:17AM ESTABX151DC93Lovell Field (KCHA)Wed 11:04PM ESTThu 01:16AM ESTABX402B762Dallas Fort Worth Int'l (KDFW)Wed 10:28PM CSTThu 01:15AM ESTABX2033DC93Chicago O'Hare Int'l (KORD)Wed 10:30PM CSTThu 01:14AM ESTABX138DC93Stewart Int'l (KSWF)Wed 10:22PM ESTThu 01:13AM ESTABX137DC86Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW)Wed 11:07PM ESTThu 01:11AM ESTABX133DC94Lubbock Preston Smith Int'l (KLBB)Wed 10:08PM CSTThu 01:03AM ESTABX441B762Newark/New York Liberty Int'l (KEWR)Wed 11:27PM ESTThu 12:51AM ESTABX404B762Dallas Love Field (KDAL)Wed 09:41PM CSTThu 12:39AM ESTABX381B762Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta Int'l (KATL)Wed 11:28PM ESTThu 12:25AM EST

DHL is on a big kick to save money. Just think of all the money Astar saved them tonight!!
 
we had to divert a couple tonight too...just not the whole fleet
 
And we all know why. So what? We were the DHL airline, and they didn't want to pay for a CAT II fleet. Now we're not the DHL airline, we move to the Hoot, (which is apparently a fog magnet) and now they're paying for us to go to CAT II. Go figure.
 
hvydriver said:
And we all know why. So what? We were the DHL airline, and they didn't want to pay for a CAT II fleet. Now we're not the DHL airline, we move to the Hoot, (which is apparently a fog magnet) and now they're paying for us to go to CAT II. Go figure.
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Yeah, it's just the Hoot that's a fog magnet.:rolleyes:

As I was inbound tonight I also dialed in the CVG and DAY atis. CVG was reporting 1000 across the board and DAY was actually calling it zero.

Lemme guess, CVG never had fog when ya'll operated down there???
 
Seriously, not a single Astar plane into ILN tonight, whats up with that? Did they just not even want to try?
 
No, they won't be screaming. They're the ones who made the choice to keep us CAT I till now. It doesn't count against our on time performance at all. Strange? You bet. But they are the ones that wrote our ACMI agreement.
 
CVG would have been a mess too if they had still been there.

SPECI KCVG 220958Z 23010KT 1 1/2SM R18C/6000VP6000FT BR SCT001 BKN007
02/01 A2985 RMK AO2
KCVG 220952Z 22010KT 1/8SM R18C/3000VP6000FT FG VV001 02/01 A2985
RMK AO2 SLP110 T00170006
SPECI KCVG 220930Z 22009KT 1/16SM R18C/2000V3000FT FG VV001 02/01
A2985 RMK AO2
SPECI KCVG 220908Z 21010KT 1/16SM R18C/1800V2000FT FG VV001 02/01
A2985 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4
KCVG 220852Z 21007KT 1/16SM R18C/1800V2400FT FG VV001 01/01 A2986
RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP113 T00110006 58017
KCVG 220752Z 22008KT 1/16SM R18C/1400FT FG VV001 01/00 A2989 RMK
AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP123 T00060000
KCVG 220652Z 19007KT 1/16SM R18C/1200FT FG VV001 01/00 A2989 RMK
AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP125 T00060000
KCVG 220552Z 21004KT 1/16SM R18C/1000FT FG VV001 01/00 A2991 RMK
AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP132 T00060000 10061 21006 58005
KCVG 220452Z 21004KT 1/8SM R18C/1000V1200FT FZFG VV001 00/M01
A2992 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP137 T00001006 401001006
KCVG 220352Z 20004KT 1/4SM R18C/0700V1000FT FG VV001 01/00 A2993
RMK AO2 TWR VIS 7 SLP138 T00060000
SPECI KCVG 220341Z 00000KT 1/4SM R18C/0700V0800FT FG VV001 01/01
A2993 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 5
SPECI KCVG 220334Z 21003KT 1/4SM R18C/0700VP6000FT FG VV001 01/01
A2992 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 5
SPECI KCVG 220322Z 20005KT 1/2SM R18C/P6000FT FG FEW001 01/00 A2992
RMK AO2 TWR VIS 5
 
Happens every year, no surprise. They may have budgeted cat II but I wouldn't count on it being accomplished. If it's run anything like Acars, we will be told that it's going to be completed in three weeks every third week (on our 3rd yr now I think).

What do you want from managers over 60 who want to sit and collect a paycheck and second rate management.




shooter said:
CVG would have been a mess too if they had still been there.

SPECI KCVG 220958Z 23010KT 1 1/2SM R18C/6000VP6000FT BR SCT001 BKN007
02/01 A2985 RMK AO2
KCVG 220952Z 22010KT 1/8SM R18C/3000VP6000FT FG VV001 02/01 A2985
RMK AO2 SLP110 T00170006
SPECI KCVG 220930Z 22009KT 1/16SM R18C/2000V3000FT FG VV001 02/01
A2985 RMK AO2
SPECI KCVG 220908Z 21010KT 1/16SM R18C/1800V2000FT FG VV001 02/01
A2985 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4
KCVG 220852Z 21007KT 1/16SM R18C/1800V2400FT FG VV001 01/01 A2986
RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP113 T00110006 58017
KCVG 220752Z 22008KT 1/16SM R18C/1400FT FG VV001 01/00 A2989 RMK
AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP123 T00060000
KCVG 220652Z 19007KT 1/16SM R18C/1200FT FG VV001 01/00 A2989 RMK
AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP125 T00060000
KCVG 220552Z 21004KT 1/16SM R18C/1000FT FG VV001 01/00 A2991 RMK
AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP132 T00060000 10061 21006 58005
KCVG 220452Z 21004KT 1/8SM R18C/1000V1200FT FZFG VV001 00/M01
A2992 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP137 T00001006 401001006
KCVG 220352Z 20004KT 1/4SM R18C/0700V1000FT FG VV001 01/00 A2993
RMK AO2 TWR VIS 7 SLP138 T00060000
SPECI KCVG 220341Z 00000KT 1/4SM R18C/0700V0800FT FG VV001 01/01
A2993 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 5
SPECI KCVG 220334Z 21003KT 1/4SM R18C/0700VP6000FT FG VV001 01/01
A2992 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 5
SPECI KCVG 220322Z 20005KT 1/2SM R18C/P6000FT FG FEW001 01/00 A2992
RMK AO2 TWR VIS 5
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ABXbooger said:
Seriously, not a single Astar plane into ILN tonight, whats up with that? Did they just not even want to try?
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I was JS inbound on an ABX flight and after holding a while we had to divert into PIT. Called crew sched, and apparently AOC decided not bring any AStar aircraft inbound. Not even to try it.

DHL's mess. You run on the edge of civilization, once in a while ya get hit with a rock. Idiots.
 
Shouldn't you have been called and told not to come to work if your trip was canceled? I would file a grievance for the pay, kick'um when their down I say!!

AV8OR said:
I was JS inbound on an ABX flight and after holding a while we had to divert into PIT. Called crew sched, and apparently AOC decided not bring any AStar aircraft inbound. Not even to try it.

DHL's mess. You run on the edge of civilization, once in a while ya get hit with a rock. Idiots.
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Cargoav8or said:
Shouldn't you have been called and told not to come to work if your trip was canceled? I would file a grievance for the pay, kick'um when their down I say!!
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Yeah, I would have if it hadn't been reserve. Sux to be me. Got to stay in PIT at my expense while not getting paid cause my JS didn't make it in on time.

Thankfully
I got a personal call from Ted thanking me for my effort..........yeah.
 
AV8OR said:
I was JS inbound on an ABX flight and after holding a while we had to divert into PIT. Called crew sched, and apparently AOC decided not bring any AStar aircraft inbound. Not even to try it.

DHL's mess. You run on the edge of civilization, once in a while ya get hit with a rock. Idiots.
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The word on the street is that the UPS service reps are already capitalizing on this fiasco, citing it as yet another example of DHL's total lack of committment to service. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that FedEx's salespeople were doing the same.

This is just another example of why DHL will never be a true contender in the overnight express business. They're so focused on lowering costs that they've completely overlooked the concept of "Total Quality Management" that makes FedEx and UPS such formidible competitors.
 
Whistlin' Dan said:
The word on the street is that the UPS service reps are already capitalizing on this fiasco, citing it as yet another example of DHL's total lack of committment to service.
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They'd better be careful how they phrase that. Rumor last night was that there were 18 DC-8's and 747's that didn't make it into SDF on time.
 
Jurassic Jet said:
Plus I know of at least one Airbus. :p They were parked right beside us on a ground stop.
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FDX doesn't get off the hook either. One of their 727's (coming to rescue a parked airbus?) made two missed approaches at SDF before heading back to wherever it is that they come from
 
No Astar aircraft made today's day sort either. What's up with that? Surely there were crews who could have flown those aircraft to ILN. After all, the wx came back up fairly early in the morning, around 0430 or 0500 anyway.

It may not be counted against Astar's ontime performace as spelled out in the ACMI, but I feel sure somewhere someone in the DPWN/DHL network is taking notes.
 
"It may not be counted against Astar's ontime performace as spelled out in the ACMI, but I feel sure somewhere someone in the DPWN/DHL network is taking notes."

Eric, that assumes that DHL actually cares about their customers. Think again. That, my friend, is who's "taking notes".
 
johnlp3 said:
Taking notes? Who do you think makes the call to cancel the flights in the first place?

That's right..."the customer" DHL
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Doesn't mean their not taking notes. Flying fuel hungry jurrasic jets around that don't get where they are supposed to go is expen$ive. They may not care about the customer, they may make boneheaded decisions, but I doubt they like obviously pi$$ing money down a rathole, at least on the mico-economic scale the last couple of days represents. Not much point in getting into the "big" picture.
 
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johnlp3 said:
I wonder how much it costs to keep a sort full of non-conveyables on the ground.

Cat II and more fuel efficient aircraft is only part of the solution.
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Never said it was the whole solution. BTW, the 767's are Cat III. Reconfiguring the current 767 "C" container aircraft to the original belly containers would take care of most if not all of the non-conveyables. This is very inexpensive mod, currently underway. I'm told it only takes a few hours.
 
BTW, the 767's are Cat III.
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Cat II, Cat III. Either way it is more than we have.

Reconfiguring the current 767 "C" container aircraft to the original belly containers would take care of most if not all of the non-conveyables. This is very inexpensive mod, currently underway. I'm told it only takes a few hours.
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So if all the 767s had the belly containers they could have taken care of all the cities in the whole system over the last couple of days? I guess DHL has nothing to worry about. :)
 
johnlp3 said:
So if all the 767s had the belly containers they could have taken care of all the cities in the whole system over the last couple of days?
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We certainly flew a lot of extra sections--all of the 2000 flight numbers shown on Flightaware. We certainly don't have enough airplanes left to fly it all, though.
 

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