If you flunked your medical...

[smellthejeta]

Sitting idle without a medical certificate, contemplating your options? Seems my comments were more relevant than you let on, doesn't it? Or are you just trying to be a "dick?"

Wouldn't call it idle. I could always enroll in those damn classes if I felt it was a good use of my time. Comments weren't so relavent, because you really don't know my current situation. The question was 100% legit and not trolling, BTW. So what is the answer, anyway? Perhaps my reading comprehension skills are lacking...

No, you didn't ask about timing, did you? You posted what you liked, and I answered what I liked, and there you have it. If you find the answer is so wasteful, why did you bother replying? Or asking?

Probably because I thought I could get a more constructive answer out of you. Somebody like Mickey Slapnutz? Wouldn't have wasted my time.

Is my answer that you should file for unemployment? Did I say any such thing? I did not.

What did you mean by sitting idle then? And you're right, you didn't "say" anything, because we're all typing here.

Am I assuming you are currently a pilot? I am not. Did I say any such thing? I did not.

Um, you sure did, when you wrote "fix things you can no longer fly." To "no longer fly them" assumes I flew them once before. Anything I've ever flown I'm still capable of flying, and expect to be able to do so for a very long time.

 

[avbug]

Perhaps my reading comprehension skills are lacking...

Um, you sure did, when you wrote "fix things you can no longer fly." To "no longer fly them" assumes I flew them once before. Anything I've ever flown I'm still capable of flying, and expect to be able to do so for a very long time.

As opposed to...

Is your answer that I should just file for unemployment, presuming I'm currently a pilot?

You're upset that an assumption might be made that you're a pilot, but then you're sure to tell us that you are, have been, and always will be.

Of course, the thread subject, which YOU introduced, is what one does when one loses one's medical certificate...meaning one can no longer fly.

You are correct. Your reading and comprehension skills are lacking. Particularly when considering what it is that you've just written. You asked about things to do when you lose your medical certificate, and presented several choices, several of which merited comment. Then you became upset at the answers, and finally ended up arguing with yourself, as your replies contradict.

Fly safe.

 

[pilotyip]

sim IP quals, varies on who is applying. But ATP, type rating, CFI ratings all help. Go to climb to 350 there a some sim IP jobs posted there right now.

 

[smellthejeta]

an assumption might be made that you're a pilot, but then you're sure to tell us that you are, have been, and always will be.

Which would be technically correct, wouldn't it? My pilot certificate will always be valid, but my ability to exercise the associated priveleges of various certificates may not.

Of course, the thread subject, which YOU introduced, is what one does when one loses one's medical certificate...meaning one can no longer fly.

...fly for a LIVING, among other things in aviation that require a medical certificate.

You are correct. Your reading and comprehension skills are lacking. Particularly when considering what it is that you've just written. You asked about things to do when you lose your medical certificate, and presented several choices, several of which merited comment. Then you became upset at the answers, and finally ended up arguing with yourself, as your replies contradict.

I'll venture out on a limb here... but one can lose the medical certificate required to be a commercial pilot, but still be able to fly under the auspices of a third class medical. The question was germane to commercial flying, not private flying. I'm still quite capable of the later. You never did answer the question... of the four choices presented, which would be the most practical? That's all I asked.

P.S., my replies don't contradict each other, because everything I have ever flown I expect to continue to fly. I never said I was employed commercially as a pilot.

 

[needapayraise]

If I lost my medical, I'd just be forced to retire on our companies loss of license insurance at 66% of my current pay. OBTW, that's tax free!

 

[avbug]

How clintonesque of you. In that case, your questions have been answered, and your thin skinned replies out of place, as well as out of joint.

If one is no longer medically capable of flying for a living, does one encourage one's employer to pay to find another venue? I don't know any aviation employers that after hiring a pilot will retrain them in another field and support them for two years while they obtain that new training...I'm sure there's a good samaritan out there somewhere.

If one has lost one's medical certification for commercial flying, does one then seek two years worth of training to become a mechanic, and work on the equipment one can no longer fly? Answered, but again, you didn't like the answer. Perhaps it wasn't what you wanted to hear.

Does one seek a master's degree from Embry Riddle? To what end? To seek a teaching job somewhere? Again your question is what one does when one "flunks" a medical exam for certification for flying with commercial privileges. While a masters degree might make you a little more marketable in your chosen field (experience counts spades over academic achievement in most endevors), why go to Embry riddle? And what employer of a pilot who has just lost his or her medical certification to fly commercially, is then going to pay to send that pilot (whom the employer can no longer use as a pilot) to school for higher education? Embry riddle or otherwise?

I don't care if you fly commercially or not. I don't care if you fly for fun, or if you just fly things around your bathtub and pretend to be a pilot. That's not what you asked when you posted your question to start the thread, and the topic is what one does when one has "flunked" one's medical examination. Specifically, you ask about an alternate career, on a pilot forum, when one has "flunked" one's medical exam (clarified by you to at least a second class privilege...though if you "flunk" the exam, you flunk the exam...one doesn't test for a first class certificate and fail it, and then get issued a third class as a consolation prize).

Your question then asks what a pilot flying commercially does when he or she loses the ability to do so based on the inability to retain medical certification to fly commercially, and the question was answered. When you're done backpeddling through your various definitions and self-indignance, do take time to read the replies you've been given, instead of argue. Though it would likely be an accident, you might learn something.

 

[smellthejeta]

How clintonesque of you. In that case, your questions have been answered, and your thin skinned replies out of place, as well as out of joint.

You answered 2 out of 4. I guess that's as good as I'll get out of you.

If one is no longer medically capable of flying for a living, does one encourage one's employer to pay to find another venue? I don't know any aviation employers that after hiring a pilot will retrain them in another field and support them for two years while they obtain that new training...I'm sure there's a good samaritan out there somewhere.

I never said I had a flying job, but in any case, my employer does have a clearly defined reimbursement plan. Not sure if the benefit extends to our charter pilots (different division of the company) but I'm not too concerned about them at this point. I also didn't ask you if you knew of any companies that would pay for higher education, either. The implied question was, if your employer paid, would it be worth doing.

If one has lost one's medical certification for commercial flying, does one then seek two years worth of training to become a mechanic, and work on the equipment one can no longer fly? Answered, but again, you didn't like the answer. Perhaps it wasn't what you wanted to hear.

Never the original question, seeing as I can't or don't fly them in the first place.

Does one seek a master's degree from Embry Riddle? To what end? To seek a teaching job somewhere? Again your question is what one does when one "flunks" a medical exam for certification for flying with commercial privileges.

To get a job, silly. I don't know many people that start their 4 year degree knowing for sure who they are going to work for when they graduate. The same applies to my situation -- there's nothing outside of my current career endeavor that I'm actually just dying to do. Had that been the case, I would not have bothered to ask the populace for their collective opinion.

While a masters degree might make you a little more marketable in your chosen field (experience counts spades over academic achievement in most endevors), why go to Embry riddle?

Company pays, it's convenient, and I can get into the program. Three reasons. If you looked at question 4 before you went off on your tirade, you'll notice that question was a bit more open ended.

And what employer of a pilot who has just lost his or her medical certification to fly commercially, is then going to pay to send that pilot (whom the employer can no longer use as a pilot) to school for higher education? Embry riddle or otherwise?

Donno, don't care either. The question I posed was specific to my situation (even though it was worded in the "you" form). Again, I never said I was employed as a pilot. You might have inferred it, but I never implied it. If you were to ask that question outside the context of this discussion, I would have either remained silent, or offered that my employer may offer it, I would have to look. Again, this point is moot in reference to my personal situation.

I don't care if you fly commercially or not. I don't care if you fly for fun, or if you just fly things around your bathtub and pretend to be a pilot. That's not what you asked when you posted your question to start the thread, and the topic is what one does when one has "flunked" one's medical examination. Specifically, you ask about an alternate career, on a pilot forum, when one has "flunked" one's medical exam (clarified by you to at least a second class privilege...though if you "flunk" the exam, you flunk the exam...

I'm glad we can agree on something. At least when I fly the little airplane in the bathtub, I don't have to worry about the cost of fuel or the financial health of the company operating the airplane and potentially paying my wages.

Your question then asks what a pilot flying commercially does when he or she loses the ability to do so based on the inability to retain medical certification

Actually, no, that's not what the question asked. The question made no presumption of current employment on behalf of the audience upon which it was posed. One may have the intention of flying for a career, discover that he/she cannot qualify for a second class medical, in which case, he/she would then seek an alternate career. Apparently, I'm not the only one who lacks reading comprehension skills.

...the question was answered.

If you say so. I asked four questions, got half-arse responses to two, yet you still left the general question unanswered.

When you're done backpeddling through your various definitions and self-indignance, do take time to read the replies you've been given, instead of argue. Though it would likely be an accident, you might learn something.

If that's what you want to call it, fine, but you can't really formulate a strong argument if your only defense is that your comprehension of the English language is not as strong as the person with whom you are conversing.

 

[avbug]

Whatever.

 

[Metro752]

It Allllllllllll Depends On What Your Definition Of The Word Is Is

 

[FlyingFisherman]

At least when I fly the little airplane in the bathtub

That's a submarine, bud.

Good luck! If you've got a third class medcal still that's good for those privileges...if you think there is ANY chance of denial just don't renew it. Find yourself a nice sport pilot airplane and fly that off into the sunset for as long as you can drive.