If Warren sells NJA, is that a good thing?

[G4dude]

Like the pilots that voted against the union at TM. Willing to let management blow smoke up their @$$, and work a $hitty schedule for a below industry wage.

Just like people on the political left, you feel I don't care if I don't endorse your tactics. I don't like what the union does? Must be because I don't care about pilots making enough money. Hilarious. And then, you approve of the practice of shunning and abusing someone who goes to work instead of doing what YOU want during a strike. Shame on you union goons. Acting like the Neanderthals in the mineworkers unions. By the way. I haven't decided to cross. You have the right to try to shut my employer down, and I would never act in an unfriendly fashion towards you, but you would mistreat me for not going along with you, while convincing yourself that I don't care about my pay and working conditions. Pretty funny and tragic stuff, pathetic really.

 

[Helmsalee]

"Do you think that is a fair way to treat someone who continues to go to work?"


In a word, yes.

 

[G4dude]

"Do you think that is a fair way to treat someone who continues to go to work?"


In a word, yes.

Shame on you.

 

[imacdog]

The shame is what those who cross a picket line will get to deal with for the rest of their career. There are very few absolutes in what makes a good career, but respecting a picket line is one of them.

 

[G4dude]

The shame is what those who cross a picket line will get to deal with for the rest of their career. There are very few absolutes in what makes a good career, but respecting a picket line is one of them.

I would never try to force you to do anything, but you want to force me to honor a picket line. Shame on you too.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I would never try to force you to do anything, but you want to force me to honor a picket line. Shame on you too.

As your friend, all I can tell you is, if it comes to a strike, you would be better served to honor the line. You don't want to live with what comes after being labeled a scab.

I say that with genuine concern for YOU. Not as some kind of implied threat. It's just one of the facts of life working in a union environment. You may not like it or agree with it but you're not going to change it. Just consider it a brief vacation and don't give it another thought.

 

[CA1900]

I would never try to force you to do anything, but you want to force me to honor a picket line. Shame on you too.

You had the choice to apply to NetJets or not. It has been a union shop since long before you or I were ever employed here. The fact that you initially took a position with a non-union alter-ego (NJI) doesn't change that.

 

[G4dude]

As your friend, all I can tell you is, if it comes to a strike, you would be better served to honor the line. You don't want to live with what comes after being labeled a scab.

I say that with genuine concern for YOU. Not as some kind of implied threat. It's just one of the facts of life working in a union environment. You may not like it or agree with it but you're not going to change it. Just consider it a brief vacation and don't give it another thought.

I appreciate that, and those are words of wisdom. I am just trying to point out that, although it is the way of unions, it is shameful behavior, to mistreat someone who genuinely has a different opinion and does not think striking is the right and moral thing to do. And recognition that a guy like me would never hold hard feelings towards people who DO strike, even though I disagree with them. See? Coercion is wrong. By the way, some people might have real reasons why they have to cross, who have no choice. Coercion is wrong, especially when practiced by supposedly intelligent and logical people who usually, BTW, vote Republican. I will probably honor a picket line, but it will be from fear of reprisals by my "colleagues". And shame on them.

 

[G4dude]

You had the choice to apply to NetJets or not. It has been a union shop since long before you or I were ever employed here. The fact that you initially took a position with a non-union alter-ego (NJI) doesn't change that.

You are correct, but that doesn't address what I am talking about. Please read my previous post to my friend Gutshotdraw.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I understand your distaste for what you call coercion. But think of it a different way.

We really do face a difficult battle in protecting and enhancing our careers against the management of our company. If you have read the statements and "offers" by JH, it should be clear by now that he cares nothing for you or your family and only in meeting his marching orders from Omaha.

That isn't a negotiating position. It's what he REALLY thinks we are worth. Lower pay. Fewer vacation and PTO days. Higher health care "contributions." Involuntary assignment of more workdays in a month. No adjustments for inflation moving forward.

It really ISN'T the yin and yang of "shoot for the stars and settle for the moon."

And the only way to meet the threat against our career is to stand up TOGETHER. It is the best thing for the ENTIRE group.

I urge you to look more closely at the company's statements regarding negotiations. Read each one with a more critical eye and with a more dispassionate and open-minded point of view. Reassess your belief system and your conclusions about the entire process.

I have. And that's why I'll be in Omaha the first weekend in May.

 

[G4dude]

I understand your distaste for what you call coercion. But think of it a different way.

We really do face a difficult battle in protecting and enhancing our careers against the management of our company. If you have read the statements and "offers" by JH, it should be clear by now that he cares nothing for you or your family and only in meeting his marching orders from Omaha.

That isn't a negotiating position. It's what he REALLY thinks we are worth. Lower pay. Fewer vacation and PTO days. Higher health care "contributions." Involuntary assignment of more workdays in a month. No adjustments for inflation moving forward.

It really ISN'T the yin and yang of "shoot for the stars and settle for the moon."

And the only way to meet the threat against our career is to stand up TOGETHER. It is the best thing for the ENTIRE group.

I urge you to look more closely at the company's statements regarding negotiations. Read each one with a more critical eye and with a more dispassionate and open-minded point of view. Reassess your belief system and your conclusions about the entire process.

I have. And that's why I'll be in Omaha the first weekend in May.

Ladies and gentleman, this is how to post. Very persuasive and not insulting or threatening. if everyone in the union were like you, the process would be much better.

 

[imacdog]

We have been saying this all along. You're just too stupid to comprehend it.

 

[G4dude]

I understand your distaste for what you call coercion. But think of it a different way.

We really do face a difficult battle in protecting and enhancing our careers against the management of our company. If you have read the statements and "offers" by JH, it should be clear by now that he cares nothing for you or your family and only in meeting his marching orders from Omaha.

That isn't a negotiating position. It's what he REALLY thinks we are worth. Lower pay. Fewer vacation and PTO days. Higher health care "contributions." Involuntary assignment of more workdays in a month. No adjustments for inflation moving forward.

It really ISN'T the yin and yang of "shoot for the stars and settle for the moon."

And the only way to meet the threat against our career is to stand up TOGETHER. It is the best thing for the ENTIRE group.

I urge you to look more closely at the company's statements regarding negotiations. Read each one with a more critical eye and with a more dispassionate and open-minded point of view. Reassess your belief system and your conclusions about the entire process.

I have. And that's why I'll be in Omaha the first weekend in May.

One thing. I don't give a HOOT if Jordan cares about me. I only care what we are paid and what our working conditions are. And if I enjoy working here. Jordan, if you are reading this, you better do us right or I will leave and do something else. I will only stay at NJA if I like the deal you give us.

 

[gutshotdraw]

One thing. I don't give a HOOT if Jordan cares about me. I only care what we are paid and what our working conditions are. And if I enjoy working here. Jordan, if you are reading this, you better do us right or I will leave and do something else. I will only stay at NJA if I like the deal you give us.

Then update the logbook and polish the resume amigo. If JH is still here a year from now, we're screwed no matter what kind of deal we make.

 

[G4dude]

Then update the logbook and polish the resume amigo. If JH is still here a year from now, we're screwed no matter what kind of deal we make.

I don't think he would be able to replace us if we strike. Or leave.