If Warren sells NJA, is that a good thing?

[nordo_2]

The Eastern guys said they would have scabbed if they had realized the company would go under.

I've never heard an eastern pilot say that. Sounds like you were talking to like-minded people, probably a scab themselves.

 

[G4dude]

Exactly. You're too stupid to have actually read the many, many, many rational arguments being made here in support of the pilots and the negotiating process. Before I would classify it as being new to the unionized workforce, but I've finally conceded that you're just an imbecile who believes what he wants and is basically a lost cause when it comes to education.

I have read them, don't agree with them. Does disagreeing with you make me an imbecile? You are truly a deep thinker.

 

[Diesel]

I have read them, don't agree with them. Does disagreeing with you make me an imbecile? You are truly a deep thinker.

So you agree with what the company is saying then?

 

[X-rated]

If he stays, the company dies. It's only a matter of time and yes, he is THAT bad of a CEO.

He sounds like a prick and he has and will continue to lower the service level to customers. I can see why someone with many years invested in providing a very high service level would feel betrayed and angry. Without question, some owners will get pissed and leave, but many will also stay and provide much higher yields. Looking at the recent numbers, the financial trend doesn't seem to reflect your assertions. In fact, it seems to indicate the contrary. I'm not saying you're wrong, you might very well be right. I am just interested in where you see the tipping point?

 

[G4dude]

So you agree with what the company is saying then?

I don't t agree with the company. They don't NEED to compensate us less, but of course they WANT to. My only issue really with the union is tactics. And my personal loathing for anyone who thinks mistreating a scab is an ok thing to do.

 

[gunfyter]

What about when the scab mistreats all of us by crossing the line?

But to answer the original question. I f Warren sells NJ to GE and they bring back Santulli ... Is that a good thing?

 

[G4dude]

What about when the scab mistreats all of us by crossing the line?

But to answer the original question. I f Warren sells NJ to GE and they bring back Santulli ... Is that a good thing?

First question: one should be free to picket or one should be free to go to work equally without coercion or rancor. Neither pilot should be mistreated for his/her action.
Second question: I talked with a good friend of mine the other day, another captain on the GV, and he would love it if Santulli bought us. I think I agree, upon reflection. Hansell is grating on my nerves. along with his senior management team of accountants and shysters.

 

[G4dude]

What about when the scab mistreats all of us by crossing the line?

But to answer the original question. I f Warren sells NJ to GE and they bring back Santulli ... Is that a good thing?

I'm sorry, but how does a scab mistreat a striker? They just disagree. One stays out of work and the other goes to work. Both are doing what they think is right.

 

[ghostrider64]

I'm sorry, but how does a scab mistreat a striker? They just disagree. One stays out of work and the other goes to work. Both are doing what they think is right.

Are you this naive? Or are you just stupid? Either way I suggest you go pose the question in the majors forum. On second thought don't do that, because you'll curse everyone that has to put Netjets on a resume.






Ask how many scabs make it to 65 at the majors. Then you'll understand how far out of touch you are with reality.

 

[G4dude]

Are you this naive? Or are you just stupid? Either way I suggest you go pose the question in the majors forum. On second thought don't do that, because you'll curse everyone that has to put Netjets on a resume.






Ask how many scabs make it to 65 at the majors. Then you'll understand how far out of touch you are with reality.

So I ask my question again: how does a scab mistreat a striker? The scab thinks the striker is trying to put his employer out of business, but doesn't mistreat the striker for striking. So why do strikers feel its ok to mistreat a a scab?

 

[gunfyter]

The difference is the scab is wrong.

How can it be right to not stand with your friends? You are one of us. The union negotiates on our behalf against the company which is organized against us.

They are trying to take away from us and the scab helps them. Thats mistreating your friends.

Divide and conquer. Management by defintion is organized and negotiates with one voice. 3000 pilots cannot negotiate individually. We must also have ONE voice.

 

[Diesel]

I don't t agree with the company. They don't NEED to compensate us less, but of course they WANT to. My only issue really with the union is tactics. And my personal loathing for anyone who thinks mistreating a scab is an ok thing to do.

For every scab that crosses the line they get everything they deserve.

I don't think it's just ok. I expect it. I expect that every pilot who slithers across a picket line be branded a scab for the rest of their lives.

If that hurts your feelings. Wahhhhhh wahhhhh wahhhhh. You're selling out your union and brothers and sisters for your personal gain.

That is what a scab is.

 

[ghostrider64]

For every scab that crosses the line they get everything they deserve.

I don't think it's just ok. I expect it. I expect that every pilot who slithers across a picket line be branded a scab for the rest of their lives.

If that hurts your feelings. Wahhhhhh wahhhhh wahhhhh. You're selling out your union and brothers and sisters for your personal gain.

That is what a scab is.

It doesn't stop with the scab, it continues to be worn by their offspring. Why? Because those offspring gained while others suffered. Nothing sucks worse than to be born to a scab.

 

[G4dude]

The difference is the scab is wrong.

How can it be right to not stand with your friends? You are one of us. The union negotiates on our behalf against the company which is organized against us.

They are trying to take away from us and the scab helps them. Thats mistreating your friends.

Divide and conquer. Management by defintion is organized and negotiates with one voice. 3000 pilots cannot negotiate individually. We must also have ONE voice.

Great question. My friends can disagree with me and decide to not go to work, without fear of ANY mistreatment by me. However, if I decide to disagree with my friends and continue to go to work, my supposed "friends" will hound me until I die. Shame on all of you who can't see the difference.

 

[Helmsalee]

You, sir, have a very loose definition of "friends".

 

[G4dude]

You, sir, have a very loose definition of "friends".

So do they, if they are willing to hound me forever for merely disagreeing with them and going to work. I guess they weren't real friends after all. I bet gutshotdraw would vehemently disagree with me if I cross, but would remain my friend. I hope so anyway. I fervently hope a strike doesn't happen.

 

[SCT]

"It doesn't stop with the scab, it continues to be worn by their offspring. Why? Because those offspring gained while others suffered. Nothing sucks worse than to be born to a scab."

Really???? You don't think a young man or woman should be given an opportunity because something their father/mom supposedly did? Seems pretty hardcore to me. Didn't realize we still had a 'caste' system.

 

[G4dude]

"It doesn't stop with the scab, it continues to be worn by their offspring. Why? Because those offspring gained while others suffered. Nothing sucks worse than to be born to a scab."

Really???? You don't think a young man or woman should be given an opportunity because something their father/mom supposedly did? Seems pretty hardcore to me. Didn't realize we still had a 'caste' system.

Yeah, that was a pretty nasty post. Probably the result of Drinking and Posting. Thanks for being a voice of reason.

 

[Diesel]

So do they, if they are willing to hound me forever for merely disagreeing with them and going to work. I guess they weren't real friends after all. I bet gutshotdraw would vehemently disagree with me if I cross, but would remain my friend. I hope so anyway. I fervently hope a strike doesn't happen.

What you don't get this isn't a argument that you are disagreeing with friends Your crossing a picket line to fly struck work and step on the necks of those of us that are fighting for a better contract.

You can make up any excuse you want but you cross a union picket line you will have no friends. You are putting your own needs ahead of your fellow pilots and their families. I don't need friends like that and you come between me and my family.

Excuses excuses. You don't want to be in a union either leave or be a fees payer. It all comes back to you wanting your cake and eat it too.

 

[ghostrider64]

So do they, if they are willing to hound me forever for merely disagreeing with them and going to work. I guess they weren't real friends after all. I bet gutshotdraw would vehemently disagree with me if I cross, but would remain my friend. I hope so anyway. I fervently hope a strike doesn't happen.

Maybe you should interview some that have had that exact scenario played out for REAL..... Not on some message board. You'll soon find out the only "friends" you'll have will be other scabs....period.