If Warren sells NJA, is that a good thing?

[gutshotdraw]

I would never try to force you to do anything, but you want to force me to honor a picket line. Shame on you too.

As your friend, all I can tell you is, if it comes to a strike, you would be better served to honor the line. You don't want to live with what comes after being labeled a scab.

I say that with genuine concern for YOU. Not as some kind of implied threat. It's just one of the facts of life working in a union environment. You may not like it or agree with it but you're not going to change it. Just consider it a brief vacation and don't give it another thought.

 

[CA1900]

I would never try to force you to do anything, but you want to force me to honor a picket line. Shame on you too.

You had the choice to apply to NetJets or not. It has been a union shop since long before you or I were ever employed here. The fact that you initially took a position with a non-union alter-ego (NJI) doesn't change that.

 

[G4dude]

As your friend, all I can tell you is, if it comes to a strike, you would be better served to honor the line. You don't want to live with what comes after being labeled a scab.

I say that with genuine concern for YOU. Not as some kind of implied threat. It's just one of the facts of life working in a union environment. You may not like it or agree with it but you're not going to change it. Just consider it a brief vacation and don't give it another thought.

I appreciate that, and those are words of wisdom. I am just trying to point out that, although it is the way of unions, it is shameful behavior, to mistreat someone who genuinely has a different opinion and does not think striking is the right and moral thing to do. And recognition that a guy like me would never hold hard feelings towards people who DO strike, even though I disagree with them. See? Coercion is wrong. By the way, some people might have real reasons why they have to cross, who have no choice. Coercion is wrong, especially when practiced by supposedly intelligent and logical people who usually, BTW, vote Republican. I will probably honor a picket line, but it will be from fear of reprisals by my "colleagues". And shame on them.

 

[G4dude]

You had the choice to apply to NetJets or not. It has been a union shop since long before you or I were ever employed here. The fact that you initially took a position with a non-union alter-ego (NJI) doesn't change that.

You are correct, but that doesn't address what I am talking about. Please read my previous post to my friend Gutshotdraw.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I understand your distaste for what you call coercion. But think of it a different way.

We really do face a difficult battle in protecting and enhancing our careers against the management of our company. If you have read the statements and "offers" by JH, it should be clear by now that he cares nothing for you or your family and only in meeting his marching orders from Omaha.

That isn't a negotiating position. It's what he REALLY thinks we are worth. Lower pay. Fewer vacation and PTO days. Higher health care "contributions." Involuntary assignment of more workdays in a month. No adjustments for inflation moving forward.

It really ISN'T the yin and yang of "shoot for the stars and settle for the moon."

And the only way to meet the threat against our career is to stand up TOGETHER. It is the best thing for the ENTIRE group.

I urge you to look more closely at the company's statements regarding negotiations. Read each one with a more critical eye and with a more dispassionate and open-minded point of view. Reassess your belief system and your conclusions about the entire process.

I have. And that's why I'll be in Omaha the first weekend in May.

 

[G4dude]

I understand your distaste for what you call coercion. But think of it a different way.

We really do face a difficult battle in protecting and enhancing our careers against the management of our company. If you have read the statements and "offers" by JH, it should be clear by now that he cares nothing for you or your family and only in meeting his marching orders from Omaha.

That isn't a negotiating position. It's what he REALLY thinks we are worth. Lower pay. Fewer vacation and PTO days. Higher health care "contributions." Involuntary assignment of more workdays in a month. No adjustments for inflation moving forward.

It really ISN'T the yin and yang of "shoot for the stars and settle for the moon."

And the only way to meet the threat against our career is to stand up TOGETHER. It is the best thing for the ENTIRE group.

I urge you to look more closely at the company's statements regarding negotiations. Read each one with a more critical eye and with a more dispassionate and open-minded point of view. Reassess your belief system and your conclusions about the entire process.

I have. And that's why I'll be in Omaha the first weekend in May.

Ladies and gentleman, this is how to post. Very persuasive and not insulting or threatening. if everyone in the union were like you, the process would be much better.

 

[imacdog]

We have been saying this all along. You're just too stupid to comprehend it.

 

[G4dude]

I understand your distaste for what you call coercion. But think of it a different way.

We really do face a difficult battle in protecting and enhancing our careers against the management of our company. If you have read the statements and "offers" by JH, it should be clear by now that he cares nothing for you or your family and only in meeting his marching orders from Omaha.

That isn't a negotiating position. It's what he REALLY thinks we are worth. Lower pay. Fewer vacation and PTO days. Higher health care "contributions." Involuntary assignment of more workdays in a month. No adjustments for inflation moving forward.

It really ISN'T the yin and yang of "shoot for the stars and settle for the moon."

And the only way to meet the threat against our career is to stand up TOGETHER. It is the best thing for the ENTIRE group.

I urge you to look more closely at the company's statements regarding negotiations. Read each one with a more critical eye and with a more dispassionate and open-minded point of view. Reassess your belief system and your conclusions about the entire process.

I have. And that's why I'll be in Omaha the first weekend in May.

One thing. I don't give a HOOT if Jordan cares about me. I only care what we are paid and what our working conditions are. And if I enjoy working here. Jordan, if you are reading this, you better do us right or I will leave and do something else. I will only stay at NJA if I like the deal you give us.

 

[gutshotdraw]

One thing. I don't give a HOOT if Jordan cares about me. I only care what we are paid and what our working conditions are. And if I enjoy working here. Jordan, if you are reading this, you better do us right or I will leave and do something else. I will only stay at NJA if I like the deal you give us.

Then update the logbook and polish the resume amigo. If JH is still here a year from now, we're screwed no matter what kind of deal we make.

 

[G4dude]

Then update the logbook and polish the resume amigo. If JH is still here a year from now, we're screwed no matter what kind of deal we make.

I don't think he would be able to replace us if we strike. Or leave.

 

[gutshotdraw]

If he stays, the company dies. It's only a matter of time and yes, he is THAT bad of a CEO.

 

[Diesel]

Ladies and gentleman, this is how to post. Very persuasive and not insulting or threatening. if everyone in the union were like you, the process would be much better.

What process? You have blamed the union for everything but won't accept the fact the company does wrong. You tell other union members that you might cross a picket line. Yet are shocked when other pilots see this as unacceptable.

You want to be cuckled and hand held and that's why you're on the fence.

 

[G4dude]

We have been saying this all along. You're just too stupid to comprehend it.

You've been saying what?

 

[G4dude]

What process? You have blamed the union for everything but won't accept the fact the company does wrong. You tell other union members that you might cross a picket line. Yet are shocked when other pilots see this as unacceptable.

You want to be cuckled and hand held and that's why you're on the fence.

I just disagree with the union in many respects, including the thuggish promises to mistreat me forever if I cross the picket line. Get a life, Skippy.

 

[G4dude]

If he stays, the company dies. It's only a matter of time and yes, he is THAT bad of a CEO.

You are probably right. Although whoever made the decision to replace the GVs with Globals seems to have made a good decision. Was Jordan involved with that decision?

 

[imacdog]

You've been saying what?

Exactly. You're too stupid to have actually read the many, many, many rational arguments being made here in support of the pilots and the negotiating process. Before I would classify it as being new to the unionized workforce, but I've finally conceded that you're just an imbecile who believes what he wants and is basically a lost cause when it comes to education.

 

[Diesel]

I just disagree with the union in many respects, including the thuggish promises to mistreat me forever if I cross the picket line. Get a life, Skippy.

Yet you haven't been able to answer one question. You haven't been able to defend your theory. You haven't provided any specific plan on how to get a contract other than supply and demand. You consider the union thuggish but not the company for threatening our jobs and out compensation.

It's not being thuggish if you cross a picket line. Ask your friends at eastern what happens to scabs and how they feel about scabs. Ask them what they felt when they were out in the hot blazing sun picketing for their families futures and a scab drove into Eastern to jump ahead of the seniority list and be a captain on the back of the striking pilots.

Since you know nothing about the unions or the process. Sit down with your eastern friends who you've said has taught you all about unions and tell them your planning on crossing a picket line if we strike.

See how that goes.

You might want to call 911 beforehand.

 

[G4dude]

Yet you haven't been able to answer one question. You haven't been able to defend your theory. You haven't provided any specific plan on how to get a contract other than supply and demand. You consider the union thuggish but not the company for threatening our jobs and out compensation.

It's not being thuggish if you cross a picket line. Ask your friends at eastern what happens to scabs and how they feel about scabs. Ask them what they felt when they were out in the hot blazing sun picketing for their families futures and a scab drove into Eastern to jump ahead of the seniority list and be a captain on the back of the striking pilots.

Since you know nothing about the unions or the process. Sit down with your eastern friends who you've said has taught you all about unions and tell them your planning on crossing a picket line if we strike.

See how that goes.

You might want to call 911 beforehand.

You just made my point about thugs, thank you.

 

[G4dude]

Yet you haven't been able to answer one question. You haven't been able to defend your theory. You haven't provided any specific plan on how to get a contract other than supply and demand. You consider the union thuggish but not the company for threatening our jobs and out compensation.

It's not being thuggish if you cross a picket line. Ask your friends at eastern what happens to scabs and how they feel about scabs. Ask them what they felt when they were out in the hot blazing sun picketing for their families futures and a scab drove into Eastern to jump ahead of the seniority list and be a captain on the back of the striking pilots.

Since you know nothing about the unions or the process. Sit down with your eastern friends who you've said has taught you all about unions and tell them your planning on crossing a picket line if we strike.

See how that goes.

You might want to call 911 beforehand.

The Eastern guys said they would have scabbed if they had realized the company would go under.

 

[Diesel]

The Eastern guys said they would have scabbed if they had realized the company would go under.

You've got some real dickbag friends then.

I have yet to meet one eastern pilot that says they would have scabbed then, after or in the future.