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Hey Poodle Boy: it takes one to know one. How's life in the Dilbert cubical?
Naive bitter old man, tisk tisk tisk. Life is good, thanks for asking.
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Hey Poodle Boy: it takes one to know one. How's life in the Dilbert cubical?
I thought I asked a legitimate question, not sure why you dismissed it with your comment...
My point is - this is something new that UPS has never done before... I hope you're correct but I take nothing for granted. The person I listened to last time who believed ‘his’ airline was invincible and thought he knew all the answers is now furloughed - from United.
I know we are very different from United or any pax airline for that matter. However, money talks and 'control' is something UPS is keen on because in the past control generated profits. IF we were to start losing money in the future they'll look at any and all options available to them. That's why I worry that the DHL deal has opened a Pandora’s box...
Possible small short term gains (for us) but potentially huge long term losses...
Again, I hope you're right and that I'm wrong however neither you nor I have any say on how this will play out in the future...
My friend, we have been dancing with devil and been dancing for 20 yrs since 1988.Smart thinking my man. I'll just add this little tidbit:
When I was a new hire at DHL Airways, FedEx and UPS were iniating one of their many attempts to shut us down, and I remember some of the new hires in my class kind of laughing a little arrogantly and saying something to the affect that DHL was so huge and powerful that they could/would steamroll any opposition by FedEx and UPS. And I remember thinking at the time, that if someone feels the need to "steamroll" their way, then there is a decent chance they wouldn't get their way based simply on the merits of their argument. My other thought was that while I was glad to be part of this "steamroller" crew, I knew that, folks who "steamroll"their way through obstacles, usually only care about one thing....getting their way, and that while we might be glad to be employed by a steamroller regarding FedEx and UPS, we'd better be careful of trusting that too much, less one day, when WE became the problem, DHL would push US off in front of the steamroller and pound US into tiny bits. We at AStar may not have realized it at the time, but, we asked to dance with the devil.....now we're payin the price. Hope the good folks at UPS don't meet the same fate.
No, because I don't think anybody's personal matters have any place being discussed on an internet message board, especially by anonymous contributors, and especially while grievances are pending. I believe that those who do, for whatever reason, are doing so with the unintended consequence of showing their a$$ to the professional community and to the world-at-large. So I don't do it, period.Why all the negative vibes Dan? Just because your life sux doesn't mean mine will. Are you ever going to tell us the true reason that you were fired from Astar?
You know, I was about to ask you the same thing. For a guy who's supposedly "Brown to the bone" you sure seem awfully wrapped up in this DHL thing. If I were a UPS pilot posting to this topic, I'd probably just say "Sorry fellows about your loss...best wishes finding other jobs...there but for fortune go we all, etc etc." and go back to my own business. That's what most UPS pilots have been saying. But you...you seem to be getting some real yuks out of this thing. The the only guys I know who find pleasure in their fellow pilots misfortunes are a few Astar guys, and one can only guess at what demonic creatures crawled up their a$$es and laid eggs. At least they now have some reason to be pi$$y...what's yours?Why all the negative vibes Dan?
Something about the tone and content of your recent posts tells me that yours already does.Just because your life sux doesn't mean mine will
I get it already, you are pissed at this pissed at that you wanted it to go this way and not that. Look around yourself next time you are at the hub and try to understand this is not about you but everyone you see.
So what are you going to do when DHL contracts aircraft to fly into SDF to put packages into the UPS sort? Or when UPS acts as DHL's contract broker and does the same. Don't worry, it's only DHL freight.UPS could very well use a DHL contractor aircraft to fly it's volume in parts of the world where UPS currently uses airline belly space or common carriage. UPS will continue to fly what it does internationally and will continue to expand the airline internationally. I know that you can't stand to hear good news about another airline Dan, but it's the truth. UPS browntail jets flown around the world by IPA crews aren't going to go away no matter how hard you try and rationalize it.
Ahh!, but it IS all about me. It always has been. Once we meet my needs we'll think about yours for just a moment (and probably disregard them!)imp:
\So what are you going to do when DHL contracts aircraft to fly into SDF to put packages into the UPS sort? Or when UPS acts as DHL's contract broker and does the same. Don't worry, it's only DHL freight.
ACMI is coming. For everyone. It's only a matter of time.
I don't think, I KNOW, why UPS started an airline in '88...they were FORCED to by the FAA. Ask any of your old hands what and who brought them out of the Evergreen, Interstate, Orion, Rosenbalm, et al doldrums and into the UPS fold. Thank T. Allen McArtor for your brown ID badge, not UPS' "need for control"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Allen_McArtor
In the early '80's, Flying Tigers biggest commercial account was UPS. At that time, there was little concern by UPS over "control" other than to make sure the planes left and arrived on time. Had they not, I'm sure UPS would have sought another contractor.