If Delta dies, Skywest = ?

["GO AROUND"]

are you sure? only if you're talking SkyWest INC.

from SkyWest.com

Average number of daily scheduled departures-SkyWest Airlines

United: 1,062 Delta: 472 Total: 1,534

The numbers I saw for ASA on delta.com was over 900 daily departures. So UAL=1062 DAL=1372 if you combine them.

 

[N2264J]

And, their pilots are ALPA, so probably no flying during a possible DL strike.

Delta continued to fly during the Comair strike.

Why do you think ASA will stop flying during a Delta strike just because they're ALPA?

I don't think the NMB has released them yet. Will the ASA pilots walk with the mainline pilots in a sympathy strike? Since they're not striking the same company anymore, would that count as the same class and craft?

I seriously doubt ALPA will allow the Delta pilots to strike anyway. It would kill one of their biggest dues cash cows and ALPA simply can not allow that to happen.

 

[blueridge71]

Would DALPA strike with us? I doubt it. We probably wouldn't have a sympathy strike, but we may have a strike of own that runs concurrently. Our MEC just passed a note confidence in management resolution and authorized a strike committee.

If DAL went ch. 7, there would be a lot of capacity in ASA airplanes and gates available in ATL for someone. I'm not sure that we would be idle for long. Airtran might make a deal in the absence of their largest competitor. ASA might even fly under their own colors. Who knows?

Having said that, I'd really like to see DAL and DALPA work things out. It would be better for everyone.

 

[General Lee]

Delta continued to fly during the Comair strike.

Why do you think ASA will stop flying during a Delta strike just because they're ALPA?

I don't think the NMB has released them yet. Will the ASA pilots walk with the mainline pilots in a sympathy strike? Since they're not striking the same company anymore, would that count as the same class and craft?

I seriously doubt ALPA will allow the Delta pilots to strike anyway. It would kill one of their biggest dues cash cows and ALPA simply can not allow that to happen.

What I said was that Delta didn't cover any of Comair's flying. (on another post) That is what I meant.

And, good ole Duane Worthless was at our very large, successful rally, so you never know.........He probably wants to see us (at least one of us) to stand up and stop the downward spiral. We are a different group now, now that 2300 loyalists retired within the last year. I hope they negotiate something fair before then, though. High stakes poker.......

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[atlcrashpad]

Would DALPA strike with us? I doubt it. We probably wouldn't have a sympathy strike, but we may have a strike of own that runs concurrently. Our MEC just passed a note confidence in management resolution and authorized a strike committee.

If DAL went ch. 7, there would be a lot of capacity in ASA airplanes and gates available in ATL for someone. I'm not sure that we would be idle for long. Airtran might make a deal in the absence of their largest competitor. ASA might even fly under their own colors. Who knows?

Having said that, I'd really like to see DAL and DALPA work things out. It would be better for everyone.

Blueridge71,

If Big D goes "Strike" we don't fly "Struck" work. That is how you support your fellow airline pilot and keeps you off "Scab" list. Besides it lets MGT know that there is no option other than sit and negotiate.

 

[CFIT]

As said before the General gets wood just thinking of problems for SkyWest. However, management has stategies in place for the demise of either of it's code shares that are discussed at almost every investers conference. I wont go into specifics but the structure is there in the event of a collapse of either Delta or United, it wont be painless but certainly not lethal.

 

[ASADriver]

Blueridge71,

If Big D goes "Strike" we don't fly "Struck" work. That is how you support your fellow airline pilot and keeps you off "Scab" list. Besides it lets MGT know that there is no option other than sit and negotiate.

CMR went on strike and DAL didn't stop flying. Why should we stop flying if Delta goes on strike? Rember, they said we are separate. They said there wasn't operational integration. They made their bed, now they can sleep in it.

As for the "scab list", don't you find it just a tad ironic that it was an Eastern scab who posted the three ASA MEC resolutions, regarding the strike vote and no confidence vote, on the ALPA board? He is an ALPA committee chairman and he crossed a real line. How about the CAL MEC Chairman, he is an Eastern scab also. Save me the ALPA BS - I have had my fill!

I will fly any aircraft that is operated by ASA during any DAL strike - we a separate and they don't give a darn about me.

 

[blueridge71]

Blueridge71,

If Big D goes "Strike" we don't fly "Struck" work. That is how you support your fellow airline pilot and keeps you off "Scab" list. Besides it lets MGT know that there is no option other than sit and negotiate.

That's true in theory. In reality, Delta's schedule changes almost from day to day and their routes are layered with different companies flying the same routes. How would we know what is struck work?

Also, I wasn't here then, but I've heard that ASA operated Comair airplanes on Comair routes during that strike. I don't know if it's true, but that has been going around.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Blueridge:

ASA took delivery of a couple of RJ's while Comair was out. You can tell these airplanes because of the different materials used in the entry flooring and other small details that Comair ordered different from ASA. When Comair came back to work and had their growth spurt they took several of the airplanes in line for ASA.

ASA did not pick up any flying from Comair during their strike. Management never asked us to and we made it clear that we were not going to fly Comair's struck work.

 

[ASADriver]

Blueridge:

ASA did not pick up any flying from Comair during their strike. Management never asked us to and we made it clear that we were not going to fly Comair's struck work.

Fins, I know you are smarter than that. ASA, DAL, and ACA flew CMR passengers during the strike. Example, a "CMR" passenger in CAK was supposed to fly from CAK to CVG to SAT. CMR strikes, and the passenger is routed from CAK to ATL to SAT, possibly on a CMR aircraft. We flew CMR passengers in CMR aircraft. We just didn't fly them on the same city pairs - ie we just didn't fly them through CVG. Management won that strike, and I am really not sure why we think we can win one.

 

[ASADriver]

Also, I wasn't here then, but I've heard that ASA operated Comair airplanes on Comair routes during that strike. I don't know if it's true, but that has been going around.

We did operate CMR aircraft, and we flew CMR passengers. We did not operate CMR routes. The fact is, during the CMR strike, ASA operated CMR aircraft with CMR passengers.

 

[General Lee]

CMR went on strike and DAL didn't stop flying. Why should we stop flying if Delta goes on strike? Rember, they said we are separate. They said there wasn't operational integration. They made their bed, now they can sleep in it.

As for the "scab list", don't you find it just a tad ironic that it was an Eastern scab who posted the three ASA MEC resolutions, regarding the strike vote and no confidence vote, on the ALPA board? He is an ALPA committee chairman and he crossed a real line. How about the CAL MEC Chairman, he is an Eastern scab also. Save me the ALPA BS - I have had my fill!

I will fly any aircraft that is operated by ASA during any DAL strike - we a separate and they don't give a darn about me.

I never said you should stop flying your own flying, just not pick up ours. That is the difference. We never picked up or covered any of Comair's actually flying.

Regardless, if we do strike, you won't last long. I hope it doesn't happen, but that really is reality. Your airline feeds ours. That's the way it goes. Let's hope it doesn't happen.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ASADriver]

I never said you should stop flying your own flying, just not pick up ours. That is the difference. We never picked up or covered any of Comair's actually flying.

Regardless, if we do strike, you won't last long. I hope it doesn't happen, but that really is reality. Your airline feeds ours. That's the way it goes. Let's hope it doesn't happen.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Everything we fly is OUR flying. I will fly whatever schedule I am handed. I hope DAL doesn't go down, but if it does I will take solace in the fact that you will take a larger hit than I will. I don't owe you a thing, I don't owe ALPA a thing. Good luck, your going to need it.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Everything we fly is OUR flying. I will fly whatever schedule I am handed. I hope DAL doesn't go down, but if it does I will take solace in the fact that you will take a larger hit than I will. I don't owe you a thing, I don't owe ALPA a thing. Good luck, your going to need it.

Scab or idiot.... I'm not sure which term applies more.

 

[ASADriver]

Scab or idiot.... I'm not sure which term applies more.

Why? Because ALPA says so? We are separate airlines. ASA won't be on strike - Delta will be. Are you going to refuse to fly ASA aircraft. If you do, you lose your job and ALPA will do nothing to help you. Maybe you are the idiot. By the way, there are over 1000 scabs that are full fledged ALPA members in GOOD STANDING, including ALPA officers and committee chairmen. ALPA is greek for hypocrite.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

No, I won't refuse to fly ASA aircraft. What I will do is refuse to fly ASA aircraft that are deployed on Delta routes in the event of a strike. Not only is that being a scab, it's being a $hitty human being. So, no, I won't fly "any schedule that is handed to me". You sir lack integrity.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Everything we fly is OUR flying. I will fly whatever schedule I am handed. I hope DAL doesn't go down, but if it does I will take solace in the fact that you will take a larger hit than I will. I don't owe you a thing, I don't owe ALPA a thing. Good luck, your going to need it.

If Delta goes down you will both take a 100% paycut. If i were you i would hope for some luck to.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Flying routes

ASA will not fly another striking carriers routes. As far as Comair routes during the strike, DAL rearranged the schedules, thereby createing "New" routes (Shell game). It was something the Big D could do since they controlled the routing structure.

If DAL goes on strike, there is no way for DAL MGT to redo the routes to cover all of the system. Thereby we (ASA) will not fly struck work. Should be reduced, if not all together go away.

It is a lose lose situation for everyone involved. If DALPA and ASA threaten to strike, both MGT's would SH*T. Grinchstien might not care if DAL goes down the tubes, hell he'll sell the assest off and make himself some chance. Jerry Atkin, however would cut BL and ALL ASA VP's.

 

[General Lee]

Everything we fly is OUR flying. I will fly whatever schedule I am handed. I hope DAL doesn't go down, but if it does I will take solace in the fact that you will take a larger hit than I will. I don't owe you a thing, I don't owe ALPA a thing. Good luck, your going to need it.

You better hope we don't strike, and I have a feeling I'll be fine regardless. And, you don't owe me krap, and I don't owe you squat. Keep those figers and toes crossed that we come up with an agreement.........


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ASA will not fly another striking carriers routes. As far as Comair routes during the strike, DAL rearranged the schedules, thereby createing "New" routes (Shell game). It was something the Big D could do since they controlled the routing structure.

If DAL goes on strike, there is no way for DAL MGT to redo the routes to cover all of the system. Thereby we (ASA) will not fly struck work. Should be reduced, if not all together go away.

It is a lose lose situation for everyone involved. If DALPA and ASA threaten to strike, both MGT's would SH*T. Grinchstien might not care if DAL goes down the tubes, hell he'll sell the assest off and make himself some chance. Jerry Atkin, however would cut BL and ALL ASA VP's.

We did not add any flights on any of their own routes, and routes that we both shared were not added to, except once when they (DL) decided to replace an MD88 with a 757. Our ALPA guys protested that, and overall Delta lost over $1 billion. I would say the strike made an impression on Delta.

Bye Bye--General Lee