IBT out! NJASAP in!

[IDEtoNJA]

B19 Flyer,

With all due respect, I did not ridicule you! Why do you ridicule others with a different point of view?

In case this is your discussion style I have nothing more to discuss with you.

A. Your comments did not clearly and directly answer any of my questions. Your comments dwell on the obvious which is mentioned in the body of the questions; however, you do not answer questions clearly and directly.

B. Your comments include multiple usage of words such as intent and misunderstood. Might there be a reason people routinely do not understand your intent?

C. Your comments show a discussion style that I can not respect. You are condescending and ridiculing at best.

I hope to never have to deal with such a management style in the future; whether, on the flight deck, or, anywhere else! The lack of direct and consistent communications would be very disruptive to an efficient operation. The lack of reliance on actual facts, and, the repeated usage of innuendo would have the same effects on efficiency.

Thank You and Have A Great Day,
IDEtoNJA

 

[fischman]

That was awesome!

 

[flyjetspeed]

That was awesome!

Totally, Now put the intellectual lightweight on IGNORE and be done with the TOOL!!!!

 

[B19 Flyer]

"Fracs are not certificated carriers and need to be considered differently from the simple viewpoint of operational control" -B19

You guys need to quit quoting this idiot. He just keeps on showing ignorance and no relevant points.

This quote above is classic, because I remember from threads about unions a while back how half his arguments hinged on how Fracs were, in fact, THE SAME as the airlines.

My, how the world (B19 arguments) turn!:bomb:

The legality of what constitutes an airline, and the administration and how to run operations are two different things.

A fractional is no different adminstratively than a regional, commuter or major when it comes to a CBA.

All aviation CBAs are based around two items. How much a pilot is paid and work rules.

In that sense, they are indeed all airlines.

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19 Flyer,

With all due respect, I did not ridicule you! Why do you ridicule others with a different point of view?

In case this is your discussion style I have nothing more to discuss with you.

A. Your comments did not clearly and directly answer any of my questions. Your comments dwell on the obvious which is mentioned in the body of the questions; however, you do not answer questions clearly and directly.

B. Your comments include multiple usage of words such as intent and misunderstood. Might there be a reason people routinely do not understand your intent?

C. Your comments show a discussion style that I can not respect. You are condescending and ridiculing at best.

I hope to never have to deal with such a management style in the future; whether, on the flight deck, or, anywhere else! The lack of direct and consistent communications would be very disruptive to an efficient operation. The lack of reliance on actual facts, and, the repeated usage of innuendo would have the same effects on efficiency.

Thank You and Have A Great Day,
IDEtoNJA

I feel the same way toward you. You are the type of pilot that is a cockpit lawyer, that will complain about management but never step into it.

Where was I not clear and not factual? Did you not understand the concept of a fractional not being a "certificated air carrier?" If a fractional has a certificate, you go and find it. Have fun on that wild goose chase. It doesn't exist.

Did you not understand the concept of a 91K operator not needing to have a Part 135 certificate to operate?

Did you not understand that 91K was designed to stabilize cowboy fractional aircraft and upgrade safety standards?

No sir, it's pilots like you that frustrate management the most. You don't understand the big picture outside of the cockpit, and haven't the courage to make a difference by stepping up to the plate as a manager. If you did, you would fail.

You are the type that will wave the CBA in management's face, yet when the CBA limits you in some way, you will try to worm around it using your cockpit lawyer credentials.

So, what is your opinion on all my posts that have repeatedly said that the NJASAP split off would get ugly, really ugly before it was over?

How many times have I stated that this split off would cripple 1108 and hurt the FO pilots when they needed the support the most?

How many times have I stated that the IBT wasn't going to go away quietly?

And most of all, I love saying I told you so..

 

[CA1900]

Did you not understand the concept of a fractional not being a "certificated air carrier?" If a fractional has a certificate, you go and find it. Have fun on that wild goose chase. It doesn't exist.

I'm looking at NetJets' Air Carrier Certificate right now. Issued December 1, 1978:

This certifies that NetJets Aviation, Inc., has met the requirements of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, as amended, and the rules, regulations, and standards prescribed thereunder for the issuance of this certificate, and is hereby authorized to operate as an air carrier and conduct common carriage operations in accordance with said act...

That "wild goose chase" took me about five seconds.

 

[imacdog]

If a fractional has a certificate, you go and find it. Have fun on that wild goose chase. It doesn't exist.

DXTA401D

That was off the top of my head; someone correct me if that was off.

 

[imacdog]

Yep I was right

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DSGN_CODE=DXTA&OPER_FAR=135&OPER_NAME=NETJETS+AVIATION+INC

As stated before, back to union-busting school, B.

Back on topic, congratulations to those who made a new, stronger union for NetJets pilots a reality. Thank you for all your hard work.

 

[netjetwife]

Totally, Now put the intellectual lightweight on IGNORE and be done with the TOOL!!!!

Exactly, Fly! Well put IDEtoNJA. I think you'll find that selective use of the ignore function can enhance your FI experience.

 

[netjetwife]

.... Back on topic, congratulations to those who made a new, stronger union for NetJets pilots a reality. Thank you for all your hard work.

It was a team effort. My family is proud to be Associated with the NJ pilots. When my husband stepped up in 2004 he told me that he could help lead but the pilots would have to be willing to follow or his efforts would be for naught. Kudos to the pilotgroup for your exemplary level of participation that makes it worth it all.... NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yep I was right

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DSGN_CODE=DXTA&OPER_FAR=135&OPER_NAME=NETJETS+AVIATION+INC

As stated before, back to union-busting school, B.

Back on topic, congratulations to those who made a new, stronger union for NetJets pilots a reality. Thank you for all your hard work.

That is the Part 135 certificate. ( 1. ON-DEMAND AIRPLANE (PAX / CARGO).

I don't see anything on 91K. Do you?

Asked and answered.

You won't find that on any fractional operating strictly as a fractional without a Part 135 certificate.

I'm not a union buster, unless you want to include busting a gut laughing because "I told you so" on the IBT/1108/JASAP debacle.

 

[B19 Flyer]

DXTA401D

That was off the top of my head; someone correct me if that was off.

That is the 135 designator, 91k will have a different one. You'll find that in the "M" specs. But you knew that already, right?

Boy, if a different number shows up on those "M" specs it will be hard for you to admit... "he was right yet again, eh?"

91K does not have a certificate. (because it's... drum roll please... Part 91!)

 

[B19 Flyer]

Exactly, Fly! Well put IDEtoNJA. I think you'll find that selective use of the ignore function can enhance your FI experience.

The only way one could truly enhance this experience (ouside of the "I told you so" laughter I'm currently enjoying :laugh: ), is to get rid of that image of those gawd awful butt ugly boots!

 

[imacdog]

Time to go bye bye, B.

NJW, it is very humbling to be part of this pilot group and especially under the union leadership we have guiding us.

 

[netjetwife]

Agreed, Imac! It's been one big project after another with the entire group (pilots and company) moving forward together. To make things even better, we've seen the bar raised in the fractional industry.

To our non-pilot NJA folks: I thoroughly enjoyed my recent tour of NJA, Flight Safety, and the Union office. I saw the efforts of your hard work and professionalism everywhere I went. Kudos to everyone and thanks for the friendly welcome... NJW