IBT 1108 Attempts to take NJASAP funds

[CastofThousands]

Howard Walter Cannon (January 26, 1912–March 5, 2002) was an American politician. He served as a United States Senator from Nevada from 1959 until 1983 as a member of the Democratic Party.

Cannon was born in Saint George, Utah. He attended the Arizona state teacher's college and the University of Arizona law school. He became a lawyer in Arizona, Nevada and Utah, being accepted to the bar in all three states. In World War II he served in the United States Army Air Corps.
In 1949 Cannon was elected city attorney of Las Vegas, Nevada and reelected three times. In 1958 he was elected to the United States Senate.
In 1964 Cannon voted for the Civil Rights Act. In the Senate, he was known as a moderate in the Democratic Party. He had an interest in the rules and administration of the Congress, serving as chairman of several committees on that subject, including the rules committee and the inaugural arrangements committee.
Cannon served four terms in the United States Senate; he was reelected in 1964, 1970 and 1976. In 1964 he came within a few hundred votes of being defeated by his Republican opponent Paul Laxalt. In 1982 Cannon was defeated for reelection by Republican Chic Hecht. Cannon retired from politics and died in Las Vegas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Cannon

 

[CastofThousands]

Another "D"

Jimmy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter

 

[Semore Butts]

Hmmm.....No, It was you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Semore Butts
Bafoon 19 said;

When I ask questions, I get ignored, because as you state, "I'm a moron".

Glad you agree with Griz!

I think many other will agree with your statement as well!

How about it gang?

He made the statement, and as predicted none of you have had the nuts to answer any of the ethics questions I've asked.

Just makes my case that unions have no ethics.

Try to keep track of what your saying Bafoon 19. It was you who made this statement that I read, not Griz.

There is nothing wrong with my ethics.

What company do you work for?

 

[B19 Flyer]

It is the union's job to represent the members. It is management's job to make money. They agreed to the contracts they operated under. Same as with fuel companies, hotels, aircraft manufacturers, UNIONS, etc... It is called a "CONTRACT" for a reason.

Wake up.

Second request.​

Let's get this thread back on track again.​

It is about IBT 1008 attempting to take NJASAP funds.​

Let's go folks, let's talk about the thread subject.​

Union dishonesty.​

They say laughter is good for the heart.​

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ​

 

[FLYLOW22]

Second request.​

They say laughter is good for the heart.​

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ​

Point of order. You must have a heart to reap the healthful benefits of laughter, B19.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Third, Fourth, Fifth Request

Do I have Sixth?

Having heard both sides of the story... no harm, no foul. When anything of that much value is changing hands, trust no one. It's not personal and has nothing to do with friendship. Both sides covered their positions. In the end it all worked out as originally intended. I hope there are no more frivilous allegations. Lets rebuild the relationship, and build an association of fractional pilots. I'm sorry B19, let me rephrase that... Lets rebuild the relationship, and build an association of unionized fractional pilots.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Do I have Sixth?

Having heard both sides of the story... no harm, no foul. When anything of that much value is changing hands, trust no one. It's not personal and has nothing to do with friendship. Both sides covered their positions. In the end it all worked out as originally intended. I hope there are no more frivilous allegations. Lets rebuild the relationship, and build an association of fractional pilots. I'm sorry B19, let me rephrase that... Lets rebuild the relationship, and build an association of unionized fractional pilots.

Unionize them all! That is one way to secure NJ future.

After all of them are unionized, there won't be any left in business because they won't be able to afford the CBA. The only thing that NJ will have to worry about is anti-trust lawsuits.

However...

Third request.​

Let's get this thread back on track again.​

It is about IBT 1008 attempting to take NJASAP funds.​

Let's go folks, let's talk about the thread subject.​

Union dishonesty.​

They say laughter is good for the heart.​

IBT -> :crying: :laugh: :crying: <-NJASAP​

 

[dime line]

moron,

your next to go!!!!!

 

[Tree7]

I have answered every single question ever asked of me that did not include personal information, and you are an idiot for even asking for it.

One of the most entertaining parts of this for me, is knowing that I answer everything honestly and seeing what kind of fantasy you union morons come up with.

B19,

Yes, I was truly impressed with the way you answered my questions. I guess that is just another part of the "fantasy."

If you honestly believe all Unions and Union personnel are morons and corrupt, then you are just as lost as someone who believes all of them are doing a great job. Unions are no better than the pool of talent they have to pull from, and the willingness of people to step forward. It's pretty hard to get them to do so when you have people like yourself waiting to reap the benefits, while they trash everyone doing the work.

You really need to take a hard look at the safety issues and the work that Unions have done on your behalf, much of the time fighting management tooth and nail to get things we now consider basic. No doubt these don't apply to you for whatever fantasy it is you think you're seeing though.

Sadly,


Tree

 

[realityman]

Guys, this is the standard same old B19 crap he's been spewing forever on these boards.

Quick to blame the unions for all the legacy carriers problems.

It's always that the unions didn't act fast enough to save the companies. Those darn stubborn unions!

And he always, ALWAYS fails to address WHY it is that the unions would need to act. How did the companies get in the position in the first place where management badly needs the unions to give concessions? It wouldn't be bad management would it?

Naw! According to B19, it's ALL the unions' faults. The unions have ruined everything.

Tree, don't waste your time with him. The ignore function lends a lot more coherence to these threads.

And yes people, I enjoy a good debate with those that have different opinions than mine. I just prefer to debate with people who have a VALID point to make.

 

[FLYLOW22]

And yes people, I enjoy a good debate with those that have different opinions than mine. I just prefer to debate with people who have a VALID point to make.

I disagree.

JK.

 

[netjetwife]

Good post, RM! I'll add that sticking to present times and relevant information are inherent components of a valid point. Considering that B19's content rarely changes and the FUD constantly flows from his keyboard, those of us who ignore him are missing nothing of relevance. Instead we concentrate on those who have a stake in the fractional industry.

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19,

Yes, I was truly impressed with the way you answered my questions.

How many times should I have to answer the questions Tree? Because you are new I need to do it again? Nope... you aren't special.

I guess that is just another part of the "fantasy."

If your fantasy includes a union where your career is based on the negotiation skills of other people, that works for me and you are entitled to them. I found that working for a company without a union gave me more flexability and job security. I no longer need to watch my company be held hostage by unions, nor do I need to worry about being laid off because the company sheds all costs to be viable while the union sits back and takes the paychecks that are disproportionate to the rest of the revenue.

As I stated, when times are good everybody's happy, but when times are bad, unions will watch the rest of the company get squeezed, job losses in other sectors occur and only when they are threatened that a bankruptcy judge will mandate changes to the CBA will they act. Yeah, that is the moral and ethical way to do business.

If you honestly believe all Unions and Union personnel are morons and corrupt, then you are just as lost as someone who believes all of them are doing a great job.

Not all of them are corrupt, but unions this decade have shown the inabililty to react quickly when it was needed, forcing rank and file layoffs of necessary personnel. The ONLY exception has been SWA, and that was because the old union leadership there understood what was important and signed a ten year contract with profit sharing. We'll see if that holds true on the next contract, from what I understand it's not.


Unions are no better than the pool of talent they have to pull from, and the willingness of people to step forward. It's pretty hard to get them to do so when you have people like yourself waiting to reap the benefits, while they trash everyone doing the work.

The only benefits I want to reap is job security and a decent paycheck, and both times the failure was union based.


You really need to take a hard look at the safety issues and the work that Unions have done on your behalf, much of the time fighting management tooth and nail to get things we now consider basic.

Why don't we explore this? Time after time safety programs have been delayed or watered down by union intervention. Let's use FOQA as an example. While trending is nice, I want to know who my bad pilots are. Can't do that because of unions and the sanitizing of info.

Will we ever see cameras on flight decks like the NTSB wants? They should be there now, but unions have fought against for "privacy" issues.

I've seen the union thing on safety, and for every innovation, comes another program that is delayed or watered down.

No doubt these don't apply to you for whatever fantasy it is you think you're seeing though.

You look at my views and say "sadly". I've been in both worlds, and I look at your world and thing the exact same thing knowing that for every union contract that exists when times are tough, workers will lose their jobs because the union doesn't act fast enough.


Sadly,


Tree

So, what is your opinion about the corrupt actions of 1108 and NJASAP funds?

I can always use a good laugh.

 

[B19 Flyer]

moron,

your next to go!!!!!

Actually I think you might be right. But I think that there are two non-revs ahead of me, but there are plenty of seats so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Good post, RM! I'll add that sticking to present times and relevant information are inherent components of a valid point. Considering that B19's content rarely changes and the FUD constantly flows from his keyboard, those of us who ignore him are missing nothing of relevance. Instead we concentrate on those who have a stake in the fractional industry.

And where in your posts have you changed? You still post as if you are a NJ employee with that passive-aggressive thing going on.

You like to call names and talk about things you have never experienced.

Yep.. you are a mature adult woman that must be a joy to live with. I'll bet your husband works alot, doesn't he?