I Need Help!! Cant Decide!!!

[wingnutt]

so is there a name to this "mystery" company?

 

[Flybet3]

company name

so is there a name to this "mystery" company?

The name of the Airline is City Airlines

 

[CatYaaak]

The name of the Airline is City Airlines

I can't sit here and watch these responses without saying anything. It pains me too much...he's only 22 and should have a good futre...show some mercy. I say go to Pinnacle and get the CRJ training. Then, immediately on completion, begin knocking on hangar doors and sending out resumes to the corporate Challenger operators you should be researching NOW and getting to know NOW, and when you get a job offer fromone of them, run like he11 away from the airlines and never, EVER look back.... forever!

P.S. I'm not kidding

 

[Flybet3]

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I can't sit here and watch these responses without saying anything. It pains me too much...he's only 22 and should have a good futre...show some mercy. I say go to Pinnacle and get the CRJ training. Then, immediately on completion, begin knocking on hangar doors and sending out resumes to the corporate Challenger operators you should be researching NOW and getting to know NOW, and when you get a job offer fromone of them, run like he11 away from the airlines and never, EVER look back.... forever!

P.S. I'm not kidding

What is "Corporate Challenger Ops"??? Never heard of it, can someone tell me I never heard of this before???

 

[rogerthat]

If the company doesn't make it, you may end up looking for a regional or fractional job anyway. It will be a long time before you will have the chance to move on to a major ragardless the route you choose. Three years from now will you still want to be a 19 seat jetstream captain making $30 an hour? Good luck.

 

[Flybet3]

If the company doesn't make it, you may end up looking for a regional or fractional job anyway. It will be a long time before you will have the chance to move on to a major ragardless the route you choose. Three years from now will you still want to be a 19 seat jetstream captain making $30 an hour? Good luck.

You have a good point, but like I said if I have the chace to upgrade fast, you cant beat that. Also, I would really like to get the 121 PIC exp on a smaller airplane before going to a bigger jet. Plus I have been unemployed for a couple of months and I dont think I can take the 2 months of unpaid training. What if I dont pass the pinnacle training??? then I'll be really f***ed. Also, the class date with the start up will be before pinnacle. I am also leaning a bit more to a Fractional career.

 

[sweptback]

You have a good point, but like I said if I have the chace to upgrade fast, you cant beat that.

Uhh, yes you can, you can make a bunch more money flying right seat at some regionals. Even if it takes you 4 years to upgrade, you still come out ahead, moneywise.

What are you going to do after you upgrade? Honestly! If you think you're going to get your 1000 turbine PIC and magically get a job with Southwest, you're wrong. There are so many people in line in front of you it's not even funny.

Granted, turbine PIC time is never bad to have, but I wouldn't fly somewhere for peanuts just to get it.

Also, I would really like to get the 121 PIC exp on a smaller airplane before going to a bigger jet.

I don't understand what you mean by this statement. You want to get some captain time in a Jetstream so you can hang out in the right seat of a "bigger jet" at most likely a regional? How will that help you?

If you mean that you would like to have experience in a crew environment, or in complex airspace, or whatnot, then you have a point. I could see the advantage of getting some quality 121 time if you have previously flown nothing larger than a piston twin, and by yourself even. But don't think that being a captain on a Jetstream will magically make you a better gear-yanker on a CRJ, because that's not the case. Being a FO on it will do just as well!

Plus I have been unemployed for a couple of months and I dont think I can take the 2 months of unpaid training. What if I dont pass the pinnacle training??? then I'll be really f***ed. Also, the class date with the start up will be before pinnacle. I am also leaning a bit more to a Fractional career.

If you go into training with an attitude of "I'm f***ed if I fail" then you're going to worry about failing and you're probably not going to do well. Just go into training and try to put in as much work and study as possible, make sure you know your flows and systems, study with others, and you'll be fine.

Bottom line is this isn't a decision that this board can make for you. I don't think you know what you want... if you want a job with some stability in the DFW area, why not go to Eagle? You may have to commute for a few months but you'll get back to DFW. If you want that captain time so badly, then go for the startup and hopefully it will work well for you.

 

[Flybet3]

What are you going to do after you upgrade? Honestly! If you think you're going to get your 1000 turbine PIC and magically get a job with Southwest, you're wrong. There are so many people in line in front of you it's not even funny.

Ummm no I'm not thinking about going to southwest, I dont think I want to follow that route, at least for until I can be very competetive.

Granted, turbine PIC time is never bad to have, but I wouldn't fly somewhere for peanuts just to get it.

This is really your opinion, b/c pinnacle does pay penuts and so do most regionals.



I don't understand what you mean by this statement. You want to get some captain time in a Jetstream so you can hang out in the right seat of a "bigger jet" at most likely a regional? How will that help you?

If you mean that you would like to have experience in a crew environment, or in complex airspace, or whatnot, then you have a point. I could see the advantage of getting some quality 121 time if you have previously flown nothing larger than a piston twin, and by yourself even. But don't think that being a captain on a Jetstream will magically make you a better gear-yanker on a CRJ, because that's not the case. Being a FO on it will do just as well!

Exactly, I meant I want to get experience into a crew environment under 121.

If you go into training with an attitude of "I'm f***ed if I fail" then you're going to worry about failing and you're probably not going to do well. Just go into training and try to put in as much work and study as possible, make sure you know your flows and systems, study with others, and you'll be fine.

no, I know I can pass, I've never failed a checkride, but that doesnt mean I cant fail or maybe I'm not going to like it. Like I said before, with the start up I can stay in Dallas, and what do you know...what if the company explodes? that will open up doors in the company, maybe 4 years from know they will get bigger equipment.

Bottom line is this isn't a decision that this board can make for you. I don't think you know what you want... if you want a job with some stability in the DFW area, why not go to Eagle? You may have to commute for a few months but you'll get back to DFW. If you want that captain time so badly, then go for the startup and hopefully it will work well for you.[/QUOTE]
I know what I want, so dont jump to conclusions. I went to eagle Aced the sim, missed only 2 questions on the written, and did great in the Tech and HR. But those fu***rs didnt hire me b/c I had a green card and they didnt want to mess with the DOJ clearence process. Colgan did the same thing. So forget eagle, its taking 6 to 7 years to upgrade with those guys. That's even worst. Why would I want to have 4000 hours of SIC time when I can get PIC. HELLOOO! ARE YOU THE GUY THATS FLYING THE TURBOFAN???

 

[TimsKeeper]

why are you so defensive about your job that sounds like you've already decided on and are just trying to create a buzz for?

 

[paid4training]

First of all thank you all for your wisdome and insight, it really helps. To answer many of your questions, yes the airlines is a 121. The airlines is going to begin flying, the airline service is going to be to the small cities in the south, were all the big birds can go in to. The cities that we are going to fly to are requesting the service and are giving the airline money to operate. The cities are going to promote the airline, so the airline is not going to spend one cent. The airline has already received 100,000 dollars from a couple of cities. So its happening, this is not a start up where a rich boy broke his piggy bank and digged into his savings account. (example)The airlines is going to get $1000 to fly from Dallas to lake charles, its going cost the airlines $600 or so to operate the airlplane, they are going to charge $100 to every passenger, its a 19 seater. So they are going to make $2900 one way, and even if the airplane is empty, they still made $400 bucks! So they are not losing money. I heard from someone that this is how Mesa started. Also to start the chief pilot told me that they are going to give us 3 to 4 days off. We're going to have a 50 hour a month guaranteed and once the airline takes off 70 hours. I am not going to lie, it does scare me to thing that the airline might go out in a couple of years, but like I said the airline is getting around $100,000 grand a year from each of the cities that it is going to serve. Also like I posted before upgrade will be fast, I get to stay home with 3 to 4 days off which gives me a chance to get a part-time flying gigg or something. Oh yeah, for all of you wondering I am 22 years old....sooooo yeah I am young guy (no comments of me being married please)

sounds like a good deal...hope it works out and yes I hate you because you are 22 with an opprotunity like this....LOL

 

[Flybet3]

sounds like a good deal...hope it works out and yes I hate you because you are 22 with an opprotunity like this....LOL

Well thank you sir, actually I wont be 22 till march of 2005, sooooo....dont hate! congratulate! hehehee LOL

 

[Dude]

Flybet,

PM me and I'll give you the run down on Jetstream startups. Been there, and done that. Possibly some useful information.

 

[350DRIVER]

It is all about PIC time so this choice should be a no-brainer, atleast it would be if it were me. I would take the chance at the start up with the short upgrade time. Life is a gamble but the odds seem to be in your favor and worse case scenario is this start up fails then you can go to many of the regionals that will still be hiring. I wouldn't even think twice about this if I were you. 3 to 5 years of SIC time in the CRJ isn't going to make you any more marketable so go where you have the chance to upgrade in the shortest amount of time, period. I think this "gamble" is one that would be well worth the potential risk(s) involved. ATA, AWA, and many more have all hired guys in the past from these types of operations. I have j/s on ATA many times and many on the flight deck came up strictly from a 91/135 background so you shouldn't be overly concerned about this.

take the start up -

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[Flybet3]

It is all about PIC time so this choice should be a no-brainer, atleast it would be if it were me. I would take the chance at the start up with the short upgrade time. Life is a gamble but the odds seem to be in your favor and worse case scenario is this start up fails then you can go to many of the regionals that will still be hiring. I wouldn't even think twice about this if I were you. 3 to 5 years of SIC time in the CRJ isn't going to make you any more marketable so go where you have the chance to upgrade in the shortest amount of time, period. I think this "gamble" is one that would be well worth the potential risk(s) involved. ATA, AWA, and many more have all hired guys in the past from these types of operations. I have j/s on ATA many times and many on the flight deck came up strictly from a 91/135 background so you shouldn't be overly concerned about this.

take the start up -

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Oh Trust me after much thinking I have decided to give the Start up a try, not only is the upgrade time alot quicker, but the work environment is going to be great. Now here's the thing, the Start-up isnt going to start flying until Jan latest Feb and I have a class Date with Pinnacle for Nov 15th...what should I do about that??? I mean should I just not go to the pinnacle training and wait till Jan for the Start up? I spoke with the chief pilot and he said that they are ready to start already, they already have the airplanes ready but the thing that is holding them back is has to do with the FAA lady that's working on our certificate or some sh*t like that. So, thats the thing right now... I mean I cant just go to pinnacle and get the training and then leave, b/c that would look very bad on my resume and I believe pinnacle has a training contract, so if I went and got the training I would have to stay there for like 12 or 24 months I think.

 

[350DRIVER]

Oh Trust me after much thinking I have decided to give the Start up a try, not only is the upgrade time alot quicker, but the work environment is going to be great. Now here's the thing, the Start-up isnt going to start flying until Jan latest Feb and I have a class Date with Pinnacle for Nov 15th...what should I do about that??? I mean should I just not go to the pinnacle training and wait till Jan for the Start up? I spoke with the chief pilot and he said that they are ready to start already, they already have the airplanes ready but the thing that is holding them back is has to do with the FAA lady that's working on our certificate or some sh*t like that. So, thats the thing right now... I mean I cant just go to pinnacle and get the training and then leave, b/c that would look very bad on my resume and I believe pinnacle has a training contract, so if I went and got the training I would have to stay there for like 12 or 24 months I think.

I think you have made the correct choice, I would have done the exact same if I were in your position. I would not go to Peanuckle knowing that you are going to jump ship in less than 2 or 3 months, CRJ training isn't going to do you any good at this start up and why study equipment that you won't be flying for long?. Take the time off and see if you can get a leg up and request training material now if they will give it to you at the new start up so you can spend the time studying it now. Use this down time wisely since before long you will be in training.

good luck

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