I hear-by challenge general lee:

[redflyer65]

Redflyer,

Did you check up again on that DTW-NRT Flight (I mean flights) that flew out today? Boy the General got you on that one. Way to set yourself up. You looked at an add on flight (probably for cargo), and not the normal flight that was pretty much full. Eating crow?


OYS

Absolutely no crow OYS. A little worried about the loads to Asia this summer? I would be if I were you, they suck dude..get used to it, I've seen the numbers. Radioactive Japan is not going to get better over the next three months.

I pointed out ONE flight that had 40% passenger load on a 14+ hour flight and your trying to claim some kind of victory with that? You obviously didn't go to business school.

Here's a hint...that doesn't make money for Delta and there's more pain for the next 3 months, at a minimum. Need me to pull flight loads for June and July? Do you really want me to prove you wrong?

 

[redflyer65]

History is fun.


OYS

It really is fun, here's a small recap...

1- Delta ALPA allows so much outsourcing of domestic flying to RJ's that it has cost THOUSANDS of mainline DL jobs and salaries. (plus dues that would have been paid to DALPA)

2- Delta management sells a few DC-9's to a new upstart called Valujet which grew into Airtran, costing Delta millions of dollars in revenue over all the years since. (which still continues)

3- Delta's poor management forces the once mighty Delta into bankruptcy.

4- Delta post a 1st Q. 2011 loss almost as big as AMR's trying to deal with NINE fleet types and all the cost associated with them, with large load reductions in Asia and rising fuel prices.

The problem OYS, is that you can't re-write history, it is what it is brother.

 

[DYLIN]

Absolutely no crow OYS. A little worried about the loads to Asia this summer? I would be if I were you, they suck dude..get used to it, I've seen the numbers. Radioactive Japan is not going to get better over the next three months.

I pointed out ONE flight that had 40% passenger load on a 14+ hour flight and your trying to claim some kind of victory with that? You obviously didn't go to business school.

Here's a hint...that doesn't make money for Delta and there's more pain for the next 3 months, at a minimum. Need me to pull flight loads for June and July? Do you really want me to prove you wrong?

Are you guys referring to DTW-NRT on April 29?

There were two because the flight on the 28th was cancelled. The pax that couldn't be rebooked went on the made-up early flight on the 29th, with the 40% load factor.

Aside from that, it just seems like you don't understand advance bookings or something.

 

[Meiguy]

Need me to pull flight loads for June and July? Do you really want me to prove you wrong?

The loads from DTW and ATL in the next week or so look pretty good actually. Even though it's just a couple of months till summer I bet those flights fill up to about what they are now. People aren't booking as far out in advance as they used to so looking at any flight a couple months out are going to look pretty open. NRT is still a hub to everywhere else in Asia. I don't think transient passengers are going to be too worried about passing through there the next couple of months.

 

[redflyer65]

I understand advanced bookings, just to be clear..

On the 29th, there were two flights. The first booked to 258 out of 393, or 65% load.

The second was 75 out of 393, or 19% load. Combine the two for 42% load factor for the day.

Just like 5/2, 22% load. The ADVANCED bookings for June and July look just as bad.

Is that clear enough. Let me bottom line it for you, if Delta isn't running close to and average 80% load on these long legs, they are losing money.

This WILL effect the second quarter. No question. OYS and Gen don't think it will. We'll see in 90 days.

 

[SWA/FO]

Lets not forget how SWA got their contract improvements....on the backs of the legacies in their heyday.

Yeah, strong company... As profits went up so did the pay of the Pilots.

 

[DYLIN]

I understand advanced bookings, just to be clear..

On the 29th, there were two flights. The first booked to 258 out of 393, or 65% load.

The second was 75 out of 393, or 19% load. Combine the two for 42% load factor for the day.

Just like 5/2, 22% load. The ADVANCED bookings for June and July look just as bad.

Is that clear enough. Let me bottom line it for you, if Delta isn't running close to and average 80% load on these long legs, they are losing money.

This WILL effect the second quarter. No question. OYS and Gen don't think it will. We'll see in 90 days.

Hahaha...no wonder you think the loads are so bad. You're reading them BACKWARDS!

The 258 is 258 open seats. That was the pop-up flight to cover from the day before.

The second flight was 100% minus whatever you thought the load factor was. So, 81% load?

The next few weeks look mostly full in both classes. The quake in Japan still doesn't effect pax going to Manila, Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Seoul, Guam, Taipei, Bangkok, Saipan, etc. Sure, oil does but the loads look normal for this Asia flying: full. Why you even brought it up I don't know but that is another discussion.

Just a public service announcement to any SWA guys bashing DAL based on loads on a few select Asia flights (and I don't work for either company but I find this argument humorous)...just make sure you aren't reading the loads backwards.

 

[GuppyWN]

Lets not forget how SWA got their contract improvements....on the backs of the legacies in their heyday.

I said thanks in 2001. Ten years later we're still here holding up the bar. Sure be nice if you'd help out.

Gup

 

[Turtle21]

Agreed - everyone should be thankful of SWA's great contract. It will serve as a basis for other negotiations going forward...

ALPA is all about pattern bargaining. They invented the concept, you know... just ask them. Of course they started the pattern of RJs to cover the pattern on the low end, but left the pattern of higher wages to others like SWAPA and APA.

 

[canyonblue]

You do know that it started with UAL's contract, right? I was there when it started. Delta then picked up on it, and eventually Southwest did. History is fun.


OYS

You are such a loser, SWA has always made it known that if you want UAL, DAL or AA rates, then go fly there. Southwest pay has just kept on the same narrow percentage rate since 1971, and we work fine with that. As a matter of fact we would love it if you guys would make $400 an hour, since it would only contribute to another bankruptcy with your inept management.

 

[On Your Six]

Absolutely no crow OYS. A little worried about the loads to Asia this summer? I would be if I were you, they suck dude..get used to it, I've seen the numbers. Radioactive Japan is not going to get better over the next three months.

I pointed out ONE flight that had 40% passenger load on a 14+ hour flight and your trying to claim some kind of victory with that? You obviously didn't go to business school.

Here's a hint...that doesn't make money for Delta and there's more pain for the next 3 months, at a minimum. Need me to pull flight loads for June and July? Do you really want me to prove you wrong?

Do people really buy tickets 2 or 3 months out now? I wouldn't. I would wait until about a month out and then go on the internet. I think most people do that, right? But, fuel hikes have been bringing prices up, and then add all of the other fees. People who travel that far often bring big bags, and that means fees. Southwest is currently missing out on that revenue stream, which they may change if Airtran becomes costlier than originally thought. What are your loads in September? How about early October? I bet they aren't great. DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO PROVE YOU WRONG? You sound desperate.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

I understand advanced bookings, just to be clear..

On the 29th, there were two flights. The first booked to 258 out of 393, or 65% load.

The second was 75 out of 393, or 19% load. Combine the two for 42% load factor for the day.

Just like 5/2, 22% load. The ADVANCED bookings for June and July look just as bad.

Is that clear enough. Let me bottom line it for you, if Delta isn't running close to and average 80% load on these long legs, they are losing money.

This WILL effect the second quarter. No question. OYS and Gen don't think it will. We'll see in 90 days.

Incorrect. The second flight had 35 out of 60 full up front, and 305 out of 328 full in the back. I checked it last night. Also, you know nothing about cargo and how it pays for most of the flight. So, we will see in 90 days, and you will be eating crow, again.


OYS

 

[Freebrd]

OYS's writing verrrrry similar to GL's.

 

[redflyer65]

Incorrect. The second flight had 35 out of 60 full up front, and 305 out of 328 full in the back. I checked it last night. Also, you know nothing about cargo and how it pays for most of the flight. So, we will see in 90 days, and you will be eating crow, again.


OYS

My bad OYS, the first flight was booked to 135 out of 393 for a 34 percent load factor. How is that 2-3 months out? That's NOW.

Good luck for the second quarter of 2011, you're gonna need it.

RF

 

[redflyer65]

I'm still waiting for the General to seriously respond to this call out. Kinda seems like he's a little worried about the narrow body numbers in ATL, can't say I blame him though.

 

[DYLIN]

My bad OYS, the first flight was booked to 135 out of 393 for a 34 percent load factor. How is that 2-3 months out? That's NOW.

Good luck for the second quarter of 2011, you're gonna need it.

RF

For the third time, that flight was a pop-up extra flight to get an airplane to Asia because the flight the day before was cancelled. Most of the pax would have been put on other flights so it went out mostly empty. You don't seem to have very good reading comprehension or something...I just explained this a few posts up. I don't even have a dog in this fight as I don't work for either company, but I'm just laughing at your argument which has the credibility of a 3rd grader.

Loads to Asia in the next few months look normal. This far out, nothing is full yet. Look at the stuff in the next few weeks and you will see it is full. Of course, not if you're reading the chart backwards again like you were yesterday when you were posting a reply with inverse load information.

 

[redflyer65]

Good. Because I'm done with this thread. The proof will be in the 2nd quarter results for Delta. You can pretty much quote Anderson as saying the low yeild in the Asia market hurt the bottom line for the 2nd quarter.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Red,

While GL and OYS are annoying, you seem to have some deep seated issues with Delta. Did you get turned down or possibly former asa/cmr? The latter seem to have a major chip. Furthermore, does your boyfriend FA know that you are using his deltanet password to check loads? I think what some of y'all (swa) are missing is why some are chiming in on your merger. Personally I did not like the way the nAAtives talked about and treat the Twa employees. As former NWA I did not like the drivel spouted from some of my new Delta brothers either. Y'all have always seemed to be a overall hardworking/fun group. I think your time at the top (no one stays there long) has gone to some of your heads. Just my opinion but I bet it is mostly junior capts. and mid to senior Fos talking the most smack. Reality is that the larger swa got and the slowing of growth have slowed a lot of the progression traditionally had at swa. I think some on here feel that the 5-7 year upgrades can be revived for your side with a sli that heavily favors your side to the detriment of the AT capts. I understand your angst. You were hired at a company that has historically upgraded in the 5-7 year range, and my guess is that is what you were promised. That has changed as y'all have run out of the easy growth of yesteryear. Also, with the best contract out there now (including FAs, Mx, and I would guess rampers also) along with the pillaging of the legacies have brought our cost much closer. Don't forget the winding down of the awesome hedges of a few years ago. Long story short is the quick upgrades were over and now you and others want to improve your career on the backs of the AT capts. It is human nature, but y'all don't have to be such dicks to your future co-workers. Take the high ground, keep your mouth shut and classily accept the negotiated/arbitrated list and enjoy your days at the top. It won't last forever and the ride down is not fun.

Good. Because I'm done with this thread. The proof will be in the 2nd quarter results for Delta. You can pretty much quote Anderson as saying the low yeild in the Asia market hurt the bottom line for the 2nd quarter.

 

[ASADFW7]

Cobra as a SWA guy there is a lot of truth in your summary. It can be hard to fly with a small percentage of pilots at any company. Give them a keyboard and you get Internet diarrhea. This fighting is useless. No one talks like this to anyone in person.

 

[On Your Six]

OYS's writing verrrrry similar to GL's.

Thanks Sherlock. But, I do have my own voice. Maybe Lee also went to MIFFW. (Maryland Intstitute For Forum Writing)


OYS