I am guessing they will find regional pilots at fault here.

[Flyin2low]

No YIP you have it all wrong, it is because EVERYONE at the majors has a college degree, and the regionals are all uneducated idiots like me!

That is why there are skill problems! If you have a degree from Embry Riddle you get stamped, ELITE FLYING SKILLS, on your FAA certificate.

It all comes down to that!

I got ripped off then.

 

[Metro752]

You win some, you lose some!

 

[sayrejm]

Now we ALL know more people enjoy flying with an Auburn graduate than with an ERAU know it all with his "Elite Flying Skills..."

This should be fun.

 

[dojetdriver]

Oh brother, round and round, dead horse beating, circular argument to ensue.........

I think the scenarios involved are also a bit different which is why especially the low ball "regionals" have been given the rap they have now when it comes to accidents:

Sort of.

Read the Pinnacle transcript of the deadly joy of going up to FL410. When you get paid piss poor wages and have a terrible contract, I guess one tends to fall PilotYip's advice and just fly for the fun of it.

Read the Colgan transcript. 2 pilots discussing all the way down their aspirations to move on, just treating their current position as a stepping stone because again piss poor wages and a terrible contract, you're just looking ahead to the future. Plus all the other factors discussed in the transcript like fatigue, sick calls, almost zero winter experience, etc.

Read the transcripts on AA's Columbia/LIT accidents. Lengthy error chains, leading to deadly results. Poor CRM, poor SA, poor SOP adherence, etc.

So in the following two examples, where should the outrage really be?

Poorly trained, inexperienced pilots kill people. As sad as it is, that's a direct cause/effect relationship. It's just a matter of time before that relationship will develop. OR,

Experienced/high paid pilots, have severe lapse in judgment, poor SA, don't follow SOPs, and kill people. How can such professionals make so many mistakes? I mean, they're the higher paid, more experienced pilots, they should be flawless, should they not?

The latest incidents and accidents, we don't know for sure yet the circumstances, but I would guess the AA pilots made a professional mistake versus a major deadly lapse in professional demeanor.

Reference the above examples, can you REALLY say what the difference is between a "professional mistake" and a "deadly lapse in professional demeanor" is? The crews in Columbia/LIT did BOTH. Using good judgment, keeping SA up, using CRM, following SOP's is ALL part of "professional demeanor".

Note, not picking on AA. It's just that both those accidents make for good examples.

Point is, highly experienced pilots can kill people just as easily and quickly as those that aren't. It's been happening for years.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Are some of you guys so insecure with your positions as Regional Pilots that you resort to "keeping score" to make yourselves feel better?

Go to work, move pax and cargo from A to B safely, go home, collect your paycheck. Repeat weekly

 

[pilotyip]

nicely said

Oh brother, round and round, dead horse beating, circular argument to ensue.........Point is, highly experienced pilots can kill people just as easily and quickly as those that aren't. It's been happening for years.

Nice touch of reality, Merry Christmas wish you all the best for you next year, I have enjoyed trading barbs.

 

[dingo222]

last i remember, it wasn't a regional pilot that put a 76 into the streets of jamaica queens in late 2001

 

[Erlanger]

In their defense, the runway is only 9000 feet long.

Now that's funny!

 

[NEDude]

last i remember, it wasn't a regional pilot that put a 76 into the streets of jamaica queens in late 2001

You are correct that it was not a regional pilot, but the American Airlines crash was an A300, not a 767, and it was in November 2001, more than eight years ago.

 

[dojetdriver]

and it was in November 2001, more than eight years ago.

If you are referencing this, good catch;

In the last 8 years, the Majors have caused 0 fatalities.

Because as well as we all know, there is a huge difference between 8, 9, 10, or however many years.

I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as saying the majors are "due" for a fatality, not at all.

But the ONLY reason there hasn't been one at the "majors" was because of sheer luck, not skill/experience. In the AA incident, as well as the DAL (S) in ATL.

Feel free to flame away ya'll, but that's the truth.

 

[no1pilot2000]

Attack and counter attack here. What percentage of the pilots flying for the major airlines today are former regional airline pilots?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Attack and counter attack here. What percentage of the pilots flying for the major airlines today are former regional airline pilots?

At DL during the last hiring cycle it was around 60% civvie (regional, freight, corporate...) and 40% mil.

I'd wager that out of our 12500 pilots it's around 60-70% military.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

last i remember, it wasn't a regional pilot that put a 76 into the streets of jamaica queens in late 2001

Good thing your passengers don't rely on your piss poor memory!
It was an Airbus 300.

 

[zasca]

It's all luck and timing guys.... You can't always be the 100% vigilant, SOP Nazi, completely rested, super d0uche pilot. The accident and the CVR will always make you look like an idiot! Should we mandate that the company reviews every flights' flight data and CVR just insure compliance with every stupid rule and that we don't talk/read??? Get real.....

 

[AWACoff]

You regional guys sound awfully insecure. Do you have to sit down to pee?