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[DJRobbioRobbio]

OK, Specifically which FAR did you gather this from?

Specifically the section on holding out. It depends on what you consider as advertising

FAR's are written in stone, but that one is merely a matter of speculation. Part 61.133 Section E subpart iii "Holding Out"

"...Is advertising whether through signs or ads or through agents and sales to the general public"


Again, it's a matter of speculation as to what your definition of advertising is.

 

[A Squared]

Specifically the section on holding out. It depends on what you consider as advertising

FAR's are written in stone, but that one is merely a matter of speculation. Part 61.133 Section E subpart iii "Holding Out"

"...Is advertising whether through signs or ads or through agents and sales to the general public"


Again, it's a matter of speculation as to what your definition of advertising is.

OK. I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a joke, or exactly what your purpose is, but I don't see those words in 61.133. Even if they were there, take a look at the title of that regulation. It is Private pilot privileges and limitations.

That obviously isn't relevant to commercial pilot privileges.

§ 61.113 Private pilot privileges and limitations: Pilot in command.
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(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) through (g) of this section, no person who holds a private pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft that is carrying passengers or property for compensation or hire; nor may that person, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft.

(b) A private pilot may, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft in connection with any business or employment if:

(1) The flight is only incidental to that business or employment; and

(2) The aircraft does not carry passengers or property for compensation or hire.

(c) A private pilot may not pay less than the pro rata share of the operating expenses of a flight with passengers, provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expenditures, or rental fees.

(d) A private pilot may act as pilot in command of an aircraft used in a passenger-carrying airlift sponsored by a charitable organization described in paragraph (d)(7) of this section, and for which the passengers make a donation to the organization, when the following requirements are met:

(1) The sponsor of the airlift notifies the FAA Flight Standards District Office with jurisdiction over the area concerned at least 7 days before the event and furnishes—

(i) A signed letter from the sponsor that shows the name of the sponsor, the purpose of the charitable event, the date and time of the event, and the location of the event; and

(ii) A photocopy of each pilot in command's pilot certificate, medical certificate, and logbook entries that show the pilot is current in accordance with §§61.56 and 61.57 of this part and has logged at least 200 hours of flight time.

(2) The flight is conducted from a public airport that is adequate for the aircraft to be used, or from another airport that has been approved by the FAA for the operation.

(3) No aerobatic or formation flights are conducted.

(4) Each aircraft used for the charitable event holds a standard airworthiness certificate.

(5) Each aircraft used for the charitable event is airworthy and complies with the applicable requirements of subpart E of part 91 of this chapter.

(6) Each flight for the charitable event is made during day VFR conditions.

(7) The charitable organization is an organization identified as such by the U.S. Department of Treasury.

(e) A private pilot may be reimbursed for aircraft operating expenses that are directly related to search and location operations, provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expenditures, or rental fees, and the operation is sanctioned and under the direction and control of:

(1) A local, State, or Federal agency; or

(2) An organization that conducts search and location operations.

(f) A private pilot who is an aircraft salesman and who has at least 200 hours of logged flight time may demonstrate an aircraft in flight to a prospective buyer.

(g) A private pilot who meets the requirements of §61.69 may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft towing a glider or unpowered ultralight vehicle.

[Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 61–110, 69 FR 44869, July 27, 2004]

 

[DJRobbioRobbio]

OK. I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a joke, or exactly what your purpose is, but I don't see those words in 61.133. Even if they were there, take a look at the title of that regulation. It is Private pilot privileges and limitations.

That obviously isn't relevant to commercial pilot privileges.

No I'm not joking. I'm looking in my 2005 FAR/AIM under 61.133 (pg. 100 in the ASA version). And it clearly says Commercial pilot privilages and limitations .

 

[flx757]

Ummmm...Robbio quoted 61.133 and A Squared quoted 61.113. I think this is where the discrepancy lies??

 

[DJRobbioRobbio]

Ummmm...Robbio quoted 61.133 and A Squared quoted 61.113. I think this is where the discrepancy lies??

I wasn't going to say anything b/c he has more time and experience than me. I'm just a pilot n00b

 

[nosehair]

Yeah, it's not in 61.133 either. Nothing about advertising.
2006 copy: 61.133(a)(1)&(2) Nothing. The rest of that reg deals with lighter-than-air category ratings.

FWIW, the "advertising" that is illegal is about "public transportation" in "public transportation" airplanes, which requires a 135/121 operations certificate. There's nothing wrong with advertising other "pilot services" such as ferrying, etc.

 

[DJRobbioRobbio]

Yeah, it's not in 61.133 either. Nothing about advertising.
2006 copy: 61.133(a)(1)&(2) Nothing. The rest of that reg deals with lighter-than-air category ratings.

FWIW, the "advertising" that is illegal is about "public transportation" in "public transportation" airplanes, which requires a 135/121 operations certificate. There's nothing wrong with advertising other "pilot services" such as ferrying, etc.

The FAR makes no mention of holding out, or common carriage, but it's one of those line items that you need to know exactly what is it for your commercial oral.

Odd indeed.

 

[Sailpilot]

For flights within a 25 mile radius for point of takeoff, you as a COMM pilot can advertise. No landings at any other airport other than the point of departure. 1998 was the time of "FLY-Naked Ariel Tours" in San Diego California. Great memories... from what I hear, not that I know anyhting about that. Piper Seneca with lay-down club seating, curtain behind pilot over the Sky-line.

Oh ya, they pay for the 2 hours even if it only lasted 3 minutes.

 

[A Squared]

I wasn't going to say anything b/c he has more time and experience than me. I'm just a pilot n00b

No reason not to speak up. Obviously I went a little dyslexic this morning, so point it out, and the discussion can go on.

Anyway, now that we're looking at the same regulation; as Nosehair pointed out, there is nothing at all like you say. I have to ask, ; you presented something like it was a quote, where did you get it? Did you just fabricate it and hope that nobody would check?

The FAR makes no mention of holding out, or common carriage, but it's one of those line items that you need to know exactly what is it for your commercial oral.

A "line item" that you need to know? What is a "line item"? Is that a code word for an invisible regulation, one you can't see, but you need to follow anyway?

The fact is that you *may* hold out to provide commercial pilot services. It is holding out for Air Transportation which is prohibited.

If someone told you couldn't advertise commercial pilot services, they told you wrong. read this thread, this has been thoroughly discussed. Notice that the last guy who claimed that "holding out" for pilot services was illegal could not point to one single source of any kind that supported his misconception. Until you can point ot something, anything official that prohibits advertising pilot services, you really have no argument.

Notice that 2 of the 3 official, FAA legal interpretations I posted make a clear and unambiguous distinction between “pilot services” and air transportation.

 

[DJRobbioRobbio]

No reason not to speak up. Obviously I went a little dyslexic this morning, so point it out, and the discussion can go on.

Anyway, now that we're looking at the same regulation; as Nosehair pointed out, there is nothing at all like you say. I have to ask, ; you presented something like it was a quote, where did you get it? Did you just fabricate it and hope that nobody would check?



A "line item" that you need to know? What is a "line item"? Is that a code word for an invisible regulation, one you can't see, but you need to follow anyway?

The fact is that you *may* hold out to provide commercial pilot services. It is holding out for Air Transportation which is prohibited.

If someone told you couldn't advertise commercial pilot services, they told you wrong. read this thread, this has been thoroughly discussed. Notice that the last guy who claimed that "holding out" for pilot services was illegal could not point to one single source of any kind that supported his misconception. Until you can point ot something, anything official that prohibits advertising pilot services, you really have no argument.

Notice that 2 of the 3 official, FAA legal interpretations I posted make a clear and unambiguous distinction between “pilot services” and air transportation.

I actually have a commercial study packet with all the information of what exactly holding out is, and common carriage, and private carriage If I had a scanner I'd be happy to show you it.