How to say no

[Gearmunky]

Thanks, but first of all my sweet virgin @ss is not in jeopardy (Sorry, I borrowed that from Half-Baked)

No more worries my friends, in the mean time I got in touch with an old friend of mine and we discussed it. I actually came out ahead on this one -pardon the pun

I just have a habit of letting things build up and get to the point of combustion, before I decide to act. I know that I'm not an effective communicator in that respect and when it comes time to really say "No" I'm about as mad as a queer with tonsilitis on Valentine's day. And end up with negative results.

As for the replaceable part, I do have all the proper training (FSI initial) and RVSM. I'll be taking the IP course on my next recurrent when I'm scheduled to be typed. This is all fine and dandy, but numbers are what I lack especially PIC, I have time where I acted as PIC, but with no type they're useless outside of the fact that I did it and gained experience. I've been thinking about towing banners or spraying to build PIC time on my days off, but I don't know if it's worth the risk just to become marketable. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy, but as we all know-no job is permanent.

So really how do you say no without ticking anyone off?

 

[English]

An open mode of communication, CONSTANTLY, will prevent these kind of situations in the future.

I can't imagine letting frustrations build to the point you write about. Safety depends on good CRM - the basis of which is good communications. You don't have to be adversarial, but you do need to express your thoughts and feelings.

 

[slowto250]

OK guys/girls, I figured that this would be the best place to find an answer to this question considering we all do the same thing for a living.

I need to know how one says "No" in a proffesional manner without getting on the other guy's bad side or make him mad. I'd prefer not to go into details because of the thought of prying eyes, but this is really eating at me. I feel like I'm starting to get taken advantage of, and want it to end before it gets worse.

Any and all help will be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

Hmmm.....let's see here, 800 hrs TT, pullin' gear in a G4, and can't be specific about how to handle a sexual harassment problem.
Puleeeezzz, even in our time of EEOC enlightenment, did you think you were hired for your engine-out, single generator, circling approach to mins. at night, deft stick and rudder skills ?

Could be, that you and the Cpt. of Air-Force One have something in common.



Both......Bush pilots.

 

[Dinger]

When you say you will be qual'd as IP, you don't mean instructor pilot, do you? I don't imagine that would come in handy anytime soon.

It is good if you get typed, but I am afraid your resume may look a little "top heavy" if you know what I mean. I highly recommend getting some time instructing or flying jumpers or banners. I know for a fact that people doing hiring (both HR homo's and pilots) like to see time as an instructor. It not only shows that you are willing to pay your dues, but also that you've learned a lot since your commercial ride.

 

[TimsKeeper]

Why are you telling this guy to go instruct when he's flying a Gulfstream?

Sit tight, do what you have to and you are golden.

Put your time in and take your abuse (unless if it's causing a safety issue). In a few years you will have perfect times and you'll find the perfect job.

All the "free" advice around here costs people in the long run.

 

[Gearmunky]

When you say you will be qual'd as IP, you don't mean instructor pilot, do you? I don't imagine that would come in handy anytime soon.

It is good if you get typed, but I am afraid your resume may look a little "top heavy" if you know what I mean. I highly recommend getting some time instructing or flying jumpers or banners. I know for a fact that people doing hiring (both HR homo's and pilots) like to see time as an instructor. It not only shows that you are willing to pay your dues, but also that you've learned a lot since your commercial ride.

No, by IP I mean International Procedures so I can be of use when we go across the pond. As I'm sure you know I can't go over there without a type, so I have to wait for my next recurrent to get typed and take the course.

I went a different route than most people and got away without having to get my CFI, and on top of that I don't think that instructing is my cup of tea. There's no sense in spending the money becoming a CFI if I'm not going to put it to use.

Flying a cropduster or something like that is more of my thing, it's just risky. I've wanted to get my tailwheel for a long time and this would be a great way to build t-wheel time for my ultimate goal of a T-6 when the finances permit.

 

[Gearmunky]

Lmao

Come on Munky,

I only asked you to wash and wax my truck and car, rake up my yard, paint the fences and clean up after the dog.

It is what all gear bitc^es are expected to do for their Capt. LOL

Man, am I really glad I didn't get that job now

So how is the New Blue Jew Canoe comin along, I heard it's a pretty nice ride it just needs some new clothes. I hope your enjoying your time off with that cute kid of yours

 

[semperfido]

is this an operational issue or a personal issue?

 

[Gearmunky]

is this an operational issue or a personal issue?

It was a things that were getting out of hand when I'm not flying issue. It's not totally resolved yet, but a lot better.

I'll try and clear this up a little.

I relocated for this job, I showed up with my clothes, truck, and my fishing rods (gotta keep it real ) Anyway, I was being pressured to buy a house real quick and throw down all kinds of roots thinking that that will be some security on their part.

Well, that's the trap and I saw it coming. I had my initial before I came here, and they have yet to spend any money on me as far as training is concerned. I wasn't going to get all in debt, and become a slave to this job when they haven't spent any money yet to keep me, which of course is no real reason anyway. Where I'm at isn't exactly a busy corporate airport and if safety issues were a problem or something of that nature-things you won't find out in an interview- I could go back home and continue doing what I was doing flying contract and charter on everything I could get my paws on.

Well I just got approved to start flying one of our other airplanes (Lear) and build more time grabbing every flight I can in either one. The other guys like it because they will get more time off if I can fly both. More happy people, better flight department. This will also be better for me because it will be less time bored off my rear and less time getting caught in the office and if I want a few days off I just say the word. Were not that busy in the summer so I have to get it while the gettins good if you know what I mean.

Before this all happened I kept having to do more and more non-flying duties on my days off and I felt like I was becoming a flying office hand. I'm not in a "set for life" position just yet. I love this job, and were a really cool flight department, but things don't always last forever and until I get a few thousand hours, I have to keep moving forward at full throttle.

 

[irapilot]

This thread is a waste of time. Gearmunky wants "help" with a "problem" - needs to know how to say "no" to something that he/she is unable to communicate about. After the usual round of both serious and stupid responses, relates in a nearly incoherent post he/she is has communications problems, "I know that I'm not an effective communicator in that respect and when it comes time to really say "No" I'm about as mad as a queer with tonsilitis on Valentine's day. And end up with negative results."

Give me a break! It is flamebait or just plain stupidity and everyone gets what they deserve, including the owner of the GIV that dies because he/she was too cheap to hire a real crew and have a professional flight department.

I have already wasted too much of my time on mindless drivel, bye, bye!

 

[bart]

Aha, now I know who you are...

 

[semperfido]

just keep doin what you are doin...don't buy a house...keep your options open...try to be diplomatic when it comes to the "office"- when you get pissed off- go do something else, like fishin, to get your mind off whatever it is. that's it

 

[pa56pa]

This thread is a waste of time. Gearmunky wants "help" with a "problem" - needs to know how to say "no" to something that he/she is unable to communicate about. After the usual round of both serious and stupid responses, relates in a nearly incoherent post he/she is has communications problems, "I know that I'm not an effective communicator in that respect and when it comes time to really say "No" I'm about as mad as a queer with tonsilitis on Valentine's day. And end up with negative results."

Give me a break! It is flamebait or just plain stupidity and everyone gets what they deserve, including the owner of the GIV that dies because he/she was too cheap to hire a real crew and have a professional flight department.

I have already wasted too much of my time on mindless drivel, bye, bye!

No thread is a waste of time!! Gearmunky felt the need to gather opinions... he doesnt need your negative a$$ attitude even though you yourself are entitled to post on here... what did Mom used to say?? If you can't say anything nice, don't say it at all!! Geesh!!

 

[irapilot]

pa56pa - you are right, I am wrong - this unclear, rather inane thread has such value for all of us.

So sorry.

 

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irapilot is miffed because he was passed over for the underquaified instead.

I agree with you on just about everything you said, friend. Calm down and change the channel if you don't like what is on. Hey, QVC has those anatomically correct porcelain dolls on again! Oooh! they come in negro now!

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